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chipmunkbowler

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could it be the ball weight
« on: August 15, 2009, 12:26:20 AM »
I am currently using 14 pounds i am getting the ball to around 7 or 8 at the breakpoint and i get the ball where most would leave a weak 10 but leave a 5 not even wiggling.
then when i get it to that spot in the deck from 2 or 3 at the breakpoint it is a swishing 5 most of the time

is it the ball weight that is causing this or is it something else.
luckily most times i leave 5s where they are not touched i get an atomic messenger to take it out
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2009, 12:29:07 PM »
its not the ball weight. some men carry good averages with 13lbs. so throwing 14s arent the issue.
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2009, 12:31:05 PM »
I would say it sounds like the ball is rolling out to me.  I've had that happen a few times, where the ball looks perfect until I see it rolling through the pins and I leave a 5, or even a 5-7, and once I left a 5-7-10 lol

Maybe have your pro-shop guy watch you bowl - s/he'll be able to help you out watching what happens better than we can by guessing.
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2009, 12:40:25 PM »
Video tape yourself

If you are 14 years old, as you say, then I have a hard time believing you have both a "heavy roll" and a rev rate around 350. My younger brother is 12 years old, and throws 14lbs, has a rev rate of 210... and gets the 5 pin out with no problems.

I would like to see a video of you bowling, because when I read this it screams your comming around the front of the ball and making it spin like a top, making the ball never really catch the lane and you get left with 5 pins. Also... are you throwing reactive???
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2009, 12:44:23 PM »
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Rev rate in the 350 range and 5 pins do not add up.  Unless there is a ton of carry down right in front of the pocket, I think you might be grossly exaggerating your rev rate, unless you are also 20+ MPH which would make you highly speed dominant.  14#'s will deflect a touch more than 15#, but not enough to be concerned about.
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how come chris barnes with a rev rate close to the 400s can leave a 5 7 10 if 350 rev rate cant leave a 5?
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2009, 12:45:41 PM »
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Video tape yourself

If you are 14 years old, as you say, then I have a hard time believing you have both a "heavy roll" and a rev rate around 350. My younger brother is 12 years old, and throws 14lbs, has a rev rate of 210... and gets the 5 pin out with no problems.

I would like to see a video of you bowling, because when I read this it screams your comming around the front of the ball and making it spin like a top, making the ball never really catch the lane and you get left with 5 pins. Also... are you throwing reactive???

i cant come round the front im hitting directly up the back of it and yes i am using reactive. your brother probably has lots of side turn on it (rotation)

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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2009, 12:51:28 PM »
On an odd lane condition, or having a ball rolling out from playing too deep can lead to things like an occasional 5-7-10.  One of our old time BR members with a rev rate of at least 100 more than me left one once, not that I'd mention names Cranker2K.  However, you implied you were leaving a lot of 5 pins playing from outside.  That is an indication of a weak ball, whether it has rolled out or never got into a roll.
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2009, 01:04:24 PM »
asstated before the ball is rolling out.. u need to move your feet or ball down probably way down.
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2009, 01:16:09 PM »
its not the weight its the angle to the pocket.

A 14lb ball at 15mph hits the same as a 15lb at 14mph. That is physics.

Like people mentioned, its the ball having no drive when it hits the pocket causing it to deflect not the weight of the ball.

If you come out of the back of the ball it will axis out sooner and stop hooking half way down the lane. You can easily work on coming around the side of the ball a little more, or move further right on the lane and play more direct.

Where are you standing on the lane with you feet and throwing?

You may want to try playing something like Walter Ray or Norm Duke do week in and week out.

Chris Barnes or anybody can leave a 5 pin, 5-7-10 or anything else on a bad shot, your leaving the 5 consistently. Those are two different situations.


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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2009, 02:03:00 PM »
Have the pro shop repolish the ball and/or bring it up to a higher grit finish.

Usually means you don't have enough ball speed for the condition, ball path and ball.  So instead of trying to change the first two, I would try making sure the ball is in tip top condition and highly polished.  And keep it that way every 6 games or so.  And no.....you cannot do it by hand.

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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2009, 03:38:18 PM »
You can adjust the surface of the ball all you want,(dull or shine) but if this statement

"I cant come round the front im hitting directly up the back"

is true it won't matter. It sounds like he throws the ball straight out of the back like most pros do for spares. With his hand staying flat.

He would need to turn his hand over in the follow threw to put hook on the ball. Not a lot just the basic turn like your going to shake someones hand.

If he had someone with a video phone record him throwing a couple of shots we could know for sure.
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2009, 04:19:09 PM »
If you are playing that straight, and have revs of 350, you must be too much up the back of the ball. The ball needs to turn the corner a little stronger. I roll 14 and rarely have trouble with the 5 pin. Usually, it is a result of being too deep.
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2009, 06:26:54 PM »
Im curious how he knows his rev rate is 350, and how accurate that is.
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2009, 06:43:18 PM »
video camera and tape
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2009, 07:33:00 PM »
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Juggernaut,

Do you have a high rev rate?

I have used 14lb, 15lb, 16lb balls over the last decade and have found that the 16lb balls carry best for me (average speed with lower revs).  I have seen honor scores bowled with all weights, but I think each bowler needs to match the weight that best fits their style.  High rev bowlers can usually bowl with 14lb balls where a bowler with lower revs needs the help of the additional pound or two.

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  No, not as high as it once was because I have had to cut my release rotation back to help control the backend reaction with reactive resin.  Back in the urethane/plastic days I was up around 400-450.  Now I try to ROLL more than HIT the ball at release, which gives me better midlane and more control of the breakpoint shape.

  ANYTIME you are leaving the SAME pin regularly, it is a sign of a condition that needs work.  In the case of the five pin, it shows a lack of either entry angle, continuation through the pocket after initial contact, or a little of both.  If you have a shallow entry angle from a deep inside line on an oily condition, the weight of the ball MIGHT have a minor influence due to slightly increased deflection.

  However, from a steeper entry angle from the drier outside part of the lane, the lighter weight becomes much less of an influence on deflection while the expenditure of energy becomes much more of a factor.

  True enough that consistently leaving five pins is due to the ball not finishing well, but the reason why it isn't finishing well enough could be any combination of factors, with total ball weight being only a VERY minor player in things.
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Re: could it be the ball weight
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2009, 10:10:25 PM »
Well if he has recorded him self before we just need him to do it again and post it with a link to youtube or whereever.


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