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jumba98

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Covid 19 shutdown
« on: November 17, 2020, 12:57:40 PM »
Well it has happened again here in Washington State we have shutdown bowling again, if it lasts longer than a few months I know we will be losing at least 3 of our centers. I don’t golf but that may be my only option. Sad because once gone probably no chance for return of a great family sport option
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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2020, 01:30:33 PM »
Bowling centers in PA are only permitted 15%-20% capacity under the current guidelines (based on maximum capacity) for indoor events, however most bowling centers are regularly exceeding this number on league nights.  It is understandable that the centers want as much business as possible, however they also need to be cognizant of the risk they are putting both their business and customers in by pushing the limits of the rules.

I blame both the customers and the business for not taking things as serious as they should be.  It is a very simple "ask" to do their part to keep things operating as long as possible.
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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2020, 01:47:42 PM »
Just to add one more thing.  If Biden holds on to this election and gets inaugurated, bowling centers are just the start of a much larger shutdown.  The economy as a whole may be going bye bye for any length of time. Some of us may get laid off and fortunate to keep a roof over our heads.  Nothing has happened yet and already people are preparing for it as paper products are once again in short supply.  I pray for all of us going through this difficult time and I certainly do hope that Biden holds off until the vaccine is out and we get some definitive results.   
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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2020, 02:50:56 PM »
Quote from: TWOHAND834 on November 18, 2020, 01:47:42 PM
Just to add one more thing.  If Biden holds on to this election and gets inaugurated, bowling centers are just the start of a much larger shutdown.  The economy as a whole may be going bye bye for any length of time. Some of us may get laid off and fortunate to keep a roof over our heads.  Nothing has happened yet and already people are preparing for it as paper products are once again in short supply.  I pray for all of us going through this difficult time and I certainly do hope that Biden holds off until the vaccine is out and we get some definitive results.   

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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2020, 03:02:43 PM »
Quote from: TWOHAND834 on November 18, 2020, 01:47:42 PM
Just to add one more thing.  If Biden holds on to this election and gets inaugurated, bowling centers are just the start of a much larger shutdown.  The economy as a whole may be going bye bye for any length of time. Some of us may get laid off and fortunate to keep a roof over our heads.  Nothing has happened yet and already people are preparing for it as paper products are once again in short supply.  I pray for all of us going through this difficult time and I certainly do hope that Biden holds off until the vaccine is out and we get some definitive results.   

But...But...But...Biden said he would shut down the virus, not the economy!!!  ;)

One of Biden's covid committee members is also stating that the US should share the vaccine internationally before making it widely available to all Americans.  How "nice" of him.

Our county commissioner just said they are taking a wait and see approach to things and will focus on targeted enforcement.  That is actually good news here for our county.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2020, 03:04:23 PM by Bowler19525 »
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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2020, 08:49:37 PM »
Quote from: acread on November 18, 2020, 06:51:15 AM
Connecticut hasn't cracked down as hard as many states.  We do have a 10:00 curfew, bars have been closed, and interstate travel is largely verboten without a 14-day quarantine, but otherwise we are under the standard "always wear a mask, stand six feet away, and don't be a jerk" guidelines.  The vast majority of people have been very respectful of the rules because we appreciate that they could be much more punishing. We don't want to give the governor a reason to change his mind.

A lot of people have trouble with the “don’t be a jerk” position.
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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2020, 09:57:40 PM »
nobody on my league got sick or went missing so to blame this shutdown on the bowler's is incorrect IMO. This an attempt to slow it down across the board. Now we cancel the Holidays that pose probably a bigger threat with the shopping and gatherings. next everyone will be out of work but better then catching this bug.
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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2020, 05:42:06 AM »
The doesn't apply to bowling, but lately when I've been to the supermarket or home improvement stores, I'm noticing more and more people not wearing masks.  I don't know if it's just my area, or if people are getting tired of them or thinking they can't be doing much good if we're still wearing them 8 months later and the numbers continue to climb , or?  Anyone else noticing less people wearing masks in public?
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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2020, 06:45:40 AM »
They haven't closed down bowling centers yet here.

But about a month ago we had our city tournament. A team showed up that apparently infected and I know of at least 5 bowlers who got covid from them. So it can be spread through bowling activity.
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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2020, 07:44:16 AM »
Quote from: Strider on November 19, 2020, 05:42:06 AM
The doesn't apply to bowling, but lately when I've been to the supermarket or home improvement stores, I'm noticing more and more people not wearing masks.  I don't know if it's just my area, or if people are getting tired of them or thinking they can't be doing much good if we're still wearing them 8 months later and the numbers continue to climb , or?  Anyone else noticing less people wearing masks in public?

They were talking about that on the news the other day, attributing it to "pandemic fatigue".  Just like you said, people just growing tired of the whole thing and getting lax with following the guidelines.  I have been seeing it as well...people with masks down around their neck, just holding the top of their shirt up over their face while they run in to the store real quick, or no mask at all.  I saw someone recently just holding their hand over their mouth/nose in a store!

I have only seen two news stories about small covid outbreaks linked to bowling.  One was in Michigan, and the other in Colorado I believe.  Haven't heard of any here in PA linked to bowling, although there was an outbreak linked to an ice hockey league.
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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2020, 08:22:16 AM »
Quote from: jimjames on November 18, 2020, 02:50:56 PM
Quote from: TWOHAND834 on November 18, 2020, 01:47:42 PM
Just to add one more thing.  If Biden holds on to this election and gets inaugurated, bowling centers are just the start of a much larger shutdown.  The economy as a whole may be going bye bye for any length of time. Some of us may get laid off and fortunate to keep a roof over our heads.  Nothing has happened yet and already people are preparing for it as paper products are once again in short supply.  I pray for all of us going through this difficult time and I certainly do hope that Biden holds off until the vaccine is out and we get some definitive results.   

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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2020, 08:31:44 AM »
Quote from: Strider on November 19, 2020, 05:42:06 AM
The doesn't apply to bowling, but lately when I've been to the supermarket or home improvement stores, I'm noticing more and more people not wearing masks.  I don't know if it's just my area, or if people are getting tired of them or thinking they can't be doing much good if we're still wearing them 8 months later and the numbers continue to climb , or?  Anyone else noticing less people wearing masks in public?

For the most part people here in Tampa are still wearing masks with the exception of those that I think just got tired of wearing it so when they lifted the mandate they just stopped wearing it.  The only issue with masks is that not all masks are effective.  Here with the fact we are still dealing with heat and humidity (mid 80s this past week), once you have it on for even a short amount of time it gets difficult to breathe comfortably.  The masks gets hot and sticky from sweat and you are almost forced to lift the mask off your face just to give yourself a few deep breaths before putting the mask back on.  I have noticed some places still have signs stating you can only enter the premises if you have a mask and other places dont force you to do so.  But I can tell you when I go to the store, about 90% of people are wearing a mask.  About 50% of people take it off once outside.
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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2020, 10:58:00 AM »
Out here in the Democratic People's Republic of California, there are mask mandates in place. Doesn't matter, inside, outside, swimming, skiing,surfing etc. We are supposed to be wearing a mask. Even between bites when eating. Social Distancing is required as is no indoor gatherings with people who are not in your household...

...unless you are Nancy Pelosi or Gavin Newsome, then the rules don't apply,

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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2020, 07:25:17 AM »
The other problem is that nothing in enforced.  A mandate isn't exactly a law.  So it really comes off as a suggestion.  I think mandates are meant to be temporary so that's why then can be enacted so quickly.  Even if a store says they are required by all customers and employees, no one has the guts to force people to use them or leave.  And it you are wearing them to protect "the other guy", you're helping protect someone who doesn't care about you.  Great system!
 
Unless a vaccine is introduced very quickly and is very effective, I think most areas would be better served by making it a law, and then enforcing it.  But at what level?  Very rural areas don't need the same restrictions as densely populated ones.
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Re: Covid 19 shutdown
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2020, 08:19:15 AM »
There is really no way to enforce the mandates.  Authorities cannot be everywhere, and simply do not have time and resources, to go around to every call of someone not wearing a mask in order to fine them and enforce a mask law.  You would also be asking the citizens to step up and call police to report non-compliance, and that would lead to some crazy fights I am sure.

At this point, I believe it is better for the public health officials to appeal to people as they are doing and continue to stress that wearing a mask in public right now is the decent, responsible thing to do as a citizen.  For the most part, I want to believe that people do have some sort of compassion towards their fellow man and would want to do what is necessary to help each other out.  There will always be resistance, but I do not think people would want to find out they unknowingly passed the virus to someone else and got them seriously ill or worse.  Wearing a mask reduces the chances of that happening, whether you are at the bowling center or running in to the quickie mart for a gallon of milk.

Masks are not perfect, and are certainly not convenient.  However we are most likely stuck with them for another 12 months.  The vaccine is coming, some reports say as early as today for emergency use authorization.  It will take until next spring before they are widely available and even then there will be 50% of the population that will not want to get it.  Health officials said in our state, the vaccine will be recommended however will not be mandatory.  I am not sure what percentage of the population will need to be inoculated before health officials will be ready to say "Okay!  We are all set!  No more restrictions, no more masks!"
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« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2020, 03:47:39 PM »
^^^^ Excellent post^^^^
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