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Zanatos1914

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Bowling Common Sense
« on: February 05, 2014, 05:48:22 PM »
Just wanted to know if I am in the wrong

The league decided to move the start time up because of the Super Bowl and one of my members arrived before the 4th frame...  Everybody saw him and the other team said they would wait but I decided not 2 bowl because I know the rules regardless of what they say...  The other team wanted me to bowl and my team even turned against me because I wanted to make sure our teammate bowled before the first throw on the 4th frame.....  WAS I WRONG AND IS MY TEAM CRAZY....

Also --- Same Game....

I open the tenth frame and we have another bowler to finish the game... He stroke the 1st ball and then these same crazy teammates told him to throw a spare ball because we needed 3 pins... I said keep using the same ball because it didnt make sense and like normal he listened to the females and only hit 3 pins...  I DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPEN AFTER THAT BECAUSE WE STARTED ARGUEING BECAUSE I WAS PISSED BECAUSE HE DIDNT LISTEN TO ME AND I HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE...  AM I CRAZY FOR GOING OFF  OR ARE THESE FOLKS CRAZY..

I CAN TAKE BEING WRONG...
« Last Edit: February 05, 2014, 05:50:21 PM by Zanatos1914 »
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Re: Bowling Common Sense
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2014, 06:36:33 PM »

First of all, "common sense" and bowling are generally not used in the same sentence.

However, when your teammate arrives slightly late, but before the 4th frame, as a courtesy people should let him catch up.  It takes 4 whole minutes for him to bowl 3 frames and then everyone feels better instead of acting as though it really matters...

Assuming there were those saying "I got here on time, why can't he?"  That kind of zero tolerance towards others is often returned when they show up late - regardless of their reason.  It's just better to take the high road and act as you would want to be treated if the roles were reversed.

On the 10th frame issue, I tend to agree that you should throw the ball that got you there, instead of "outsmarting yourself", doing something out of the ordinary, and knocking down 3 pins instead of many more.  Like I said, common sense and bowling are rarely used together...
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Re: Bowling Common Sense
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2014, 01:27:04 AM »
Poor sportsmanship completely!

It is the bowlers choise to bowl or not when they get to the lanes late, especially when it's close like that. I have no problem waiting but many others aren't so patient. That's a tough one there, I don't think you were wrong for waiting until the 2nd game.

As for the 10th frame ordeal, That I don't agree with at all! Who in their right mind does that?? I can see doing that in a singles tournament where the match is completely over with and the opponent is mathematically out of the match. When it comes to league play I shoot my best scores for 2 reasons, the team I'm on and for my personal happiness.
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Mike Zadler

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Re: Bowling Common Sense
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2014, 05:42:10 AM »
Since the general population has little common sense, why should bowlers.
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Re: Bowling Common Sense
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2014, 08:09:25 AM »
One of my leagues had to be very specific in their wording of the frame by which a TARDY bowler had to arrive to avoid problems with the interpretation of the by-law. Our tardy bowler has until the opposition team completes their 5th frame. Here is way our by-law is worded:
"If he arrives after the 5th frame is completed, he must sit out that game, but he can bowl the remaining games. He merely has to be on the premises prior to the completion of the 5th frame; he does not have to be ready to bowl, but should report to the lanes before going to his locker at the center if he has one."
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Re: Bowling Common Sense
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2014, 08:26:01 AM »
I will wait for the late bowler if he shows up a little late, as long as he is not walking around greeting everyone instead of putting his shoes on and getting ready to bowl.

As far as the 10th frame goes, for me it depends on what line you are playing.  If you need 3 pins and you are playing the gutter, then throw the spare ball at the head pin, otherwise its up to the bowler to throw whatever ball he/she feels more comfortable using.
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Re: Bowling Common Sense
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2014, 10:06:50 AM »
The league that I am part of has a specified time instead of a frame, this is mainly to keep teams from dragging their feet while waiting for someone to show. The arrows come on at 6:30 and they have until 6:45 to show up. Sometimes if it's a little past 6:45 and the opposing team is ok with it, then they are allowed to catch up.

As for the tenth frame, I am like Brunsmike. I never try to do anything out of the ordinary to win. Just bowl my best, strike or spare. My belief is that the only way you can lose a game in the tenth frame is if your bowling straight up and you are both perfect going in and one misses. Otherwise there were mistakes before the tenth that are the true reason for the loss.
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Re: Bowling Common Sense
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2014, 07:44:52 PM »
With us it depends on whether the opposing team knows the bowler is on the way.  If so, we wait for him to arrive, bowling until the final bowlers in the third frame then waiting.  If they don't know if he's coming or not at the end of the third frame they take him as a blind score or find a sub.  --  JohnP
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Re: Bowling Common Sense
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2014, 08:01:39 PM »
The league I'm in is specific about it as well.  The bowler who is late has until the 5th frame to show up.  If he arrives before the opposing team finishes the 5th frame, we let him catch up.  If it is after the 5th frame, the bowler has to sit out that game.  But, they can bowl the remaining games.  Also, the bowler has to report to the team before going to his locker if he has one.

As for the team telling the bowler to throw a spare ball in the 10th frame, screw that.  Bowl your best and do what you need to do in order to get your best score.  It sounds like this past week when it came down to the 10th frame between me and a bowler on the opposing team.  We were both tied until the 10th frame and had both thrown a 5 bagger.  I let him go first and he went high with a 4-7-10 split.  I threw my 6th strike and then went pocked 7-10 to end the game.  The strike in the 10th along with my teammates stepping up in the 10th allowed us to come from behind to win by 17 as the other team then collapsed in the 10th by throwing two more splits. 

With the game on the line, there was no way in hell I'm throwing a spare ball.  I'm sticking with the line and ball that works best for me at that time and throwing the best shot possible for the win.  You do what's best for YOUR team, not the OPPOSING team.
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Re: Bowling Common Sense
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2014, 08:07:23 PM »
the whole 10th frame deal....wouldn't you want to hit as many as possible for total in the end?
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Re: Bowling Common Sense
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2014, 09:32:11 PM »
 Usually, around here at least, making up frames after arriving a bit late is left up to a "Gentleman's agreement" type of thing where, as long as the team captains agree it is OK, the tardy bowler is allowed to make up the frames.

 As for the tenth frame thing, remember Del Ballard?  He needed only a few pins for a win, and stayed with his regular ball. Lost it a bit at the bottom of the swing, and watched as it fell into the channel, causing him to lost several thousand dollars and a tournament win.

 If he had thrown his spare ball down the middle, he would've gotten well more than enough for the win.

 So, given this, I would say that I would recommend my team mate throw whichever of the two the THEY felt the most comfortable with.

 Me personally, I would prefer to throw my strike ball probably 99% of the time.
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Re: Bowling Common Sense
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 09:26:16 AM »
It's simple, 

The time was changed.  They should have let him catch up.  Even if he knew about the change, he might have had other things that go on durring that time that he normally does.
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