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Mongo

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Crazy wet/dry w/carrydown
« on: March 10, 2014, 10:16:15 PM »
I think tonight was the worst combo of wet/dry and constant carrydown I've seen in a while.

Tried to fight it with a control drill w/surface and it was just hook, hook, hook.  If I took anything weaker, it would float in the oil and jerk out of the dry.  I finally pulled out a Blue Hammer and played in the dry, but carry was non existant.

Burned up a game just trying to get deep enough before I realized I couldn't.  Second game was 5-6 frames of fighting playing with weaker covers.  By the time I got to the urethane, the oil started getting flaky and even then I had to continually move out to stay on the friction.  In other words, I shot 501 and felt like I threw better than I had the last 2 weeks shooting 770 and 680.

Anybody got a different strategy?  The only thing I wish I would have tried is going right up the back on the oil line with the control ball.

I was so frustrating I would like to bowl on it to figure it out., but didn't have time. 
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Re: Crazy wet/dry w/carrydown
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2014, 10:47:45 PM »
Seems like when i get wet/dry real bad i move right and go straight at the head pin. more speed less revs.

I used to out hook it and got smacked a few times, by people smarter at this game than me. They used to tell me straighter is greater son.

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Re: Crazy wet/dry w/carrydown
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2014, 11:00:20 PM »
Looking back, I wish I had just taken it right up the oil line straight up the back.  There was plenty of friction and a stronger cover wouldn't have been as susceptible to the carry down.

Lesson learned.

5 year layoff rearing it's ugly head.

One bright spot is that, in the past, I would have dwelled on it rather than trying to learn from it.  Age has its bright spots.
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Re: Crazy wet/dry w/carrydown
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2014, 06:46:01 AM »
The first thing I'll try is super straight out by the gutter. On most house shots there isn't normally any oil to speak of there, but when things get ugly sometimes the oil gets pushed out there. And since very few play out there, if a shot exists, it should hold up.

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Re: Crazy wet/dry w/carrydown
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2014, 11:11:21 AM »
The first thing I'll try is super straight out by the gutter. On most house shots there isn't normally any oil to speak of there, but when things get ugly sometimes the oil gets pushed out there. And since very few play out there, if a shot exists, it should hold up.

With what equipment?  I tried urethane playing straight up 5 and it hit like a turd.  Anything outside of 5 is very iffy.  I wouldn't call it OB, but you can't count on a consistent reaction.

I still think up the back, up the land with something stronger on the oil line would be the way to go. 

This house is very/u] weather sensitive.  I've never seen anything like it.  I was the lone lefty and getting carrydown every 3-4 frames.

I do have an old Violet Quantum I picked up off eBay that's practically new.  It wouldn't jerk if you kicked it, but still hits better than urethane.  Thought about throwing some surface on it and keeping it strictly for the house shot when they get dumb.

I consider this a learning opportunity.
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Re: Crazy wet/dry w/carrydown
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2014, 02:20:57 AM »
Do you have anything drilled Rico??     or something pin down?? or just something that gets into a roll early...

I'd use something like that..  give it a lil bit of surface like 2k and then play a tight line like right up the 12 to 10 board range... 

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Re: Crazy wet/dry w/carrydown
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2014, 03:01:40 AM »
Do you have anything drilled Rico??     or something pin down?? or just something that gets into a roll early...

I'd use something like that..  give it a lil bit of surface like 2k and then play a tight line like right up the 12 to 10 board range...

Tried a Horizon Solid pin under ring, cg kicked out, and 2000 finish.  Duck.  Hook.

Any side rotation jerked off the dry, but urethane just didn't hit.

Like I said earlier.  Up the back straight up the oil line was probably my best play, but I'm only on week 4 of the comeback, so some shots aren't back in the repertoire just yet.
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Re: Crazy wet/dry w/carrydown
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2014, 08:50:10 AM »
A little update on this thread.

Ran into a similar situation last night.  One lane was OK, but the other had the same skid/snap reaction I discussed in the OP.

It was weird, during warmups I just noticed a little overraction, but when the lights came on, the right lane was fine, but the left lane went crazy.  A greek church and big 4 later, I realized something was up. 

Ended up going with a really soft hand position and playing the same part of the lane as I was on the other.  It was nice to remember I can still make physical adjustments when needed.
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Re: Crazy wet/dry w/carrydown
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2014, 11:52:19 AM »
When we're paired up against the guy with the 20 year old no flare urethane ball, I go up the back with alot of surface and hopefully pick up all 15 ten pins.

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Re: Crazy wet/dry w/carrydown
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2014, 02:27:35 PM »
If the dry/friction is that strong and equipment is taking you out of your comfort release...I'd try a poly ball drilled leverage with a decent size weight hole to open up the flares then cross sand the cover down to 1000...you may be surprised at the reaction and carry
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