thanks for the responses...the only reason i wanted to know was that i had placed an order before from another website for a track blue heat knowing that they are hard to find and never got it. The ballcellar website had some discontinued dynothane balls that i wanted and was wondering if it was okay to place that order. I have dealt with bowling.com, bowlersparadise.com, and bowlingsuperstore.com and all were great but they all have the same balls now