Author Topic: Oil or Carrydown? (Read 1450 times)

Brickguy221 · « **on:** January 18, 2005, 09:18:44 AM »

I have just recently dropped to 14# balls. At the moment, the only 14# balls I own are the Storm Triple X Factor and the Brunswick Impulse Zone. In one house I bowl in, they both work. Especially the Impulse Zone. It just flat out "blows the rack away." It doesn't matter in this house if it is a fresh house shot or later in the day with lighter oil in the heads and carry down in the back, both balls perform...and again, especially the Impulse Zone.

Here is the problem....The second house I bowl in used to have lanes without enough oil. Even after a fresh stripping/oiling job, they didn't have enough oil on them....Now, for the past 3 weeks, the Triple X Factor won't move one single board in this house. The Impluse Zone will only move 6-8 boards and without any "pop" what so ever on the backend. It just eases in, hits without any authority, and if I miss my target to the right, the ball will not make it back to the pocket like it does in the first house. At the start of 3rd game today I reluctantly buffed my Impulse Zone as light as possible with a gray scotchbrite pad. It helped some and I think if I would have buffed it harder, it might have worked much better, but didn't want to mess the cover up because this ball works so perfect in the other house.

Based on the amount of oil on ball when it comes back, it doesn't appear to be any heavier than the house where the ball works great. It used to be in this house that it was dry from 8-10 out to gutter. Now it is oily enough that a person can't even hook the ball to pocket playing straiught down over the 5-6-7 board. If I get out there, the ball goes straight all the way with only 2-3 boards of hook. Also, my ball would go down the lane turning at a 45 degree angle (3/4 roll?) and just not make the cut when it was time to. It would start and that's it.

Could the problem be the amount of oil, dirty backends, carrydown, backends not stripped, etc. As in most all houses, you can't get any information out of the "lane man." Something is different, but they deny it. Most others were having the same problems as I. It seems the high revers didn't have it as bad as the rest of the bowlers. For Slower revers like my self, it was "H". There were 190 plus bowlers bowling 420-450-480- etc.

I can't read the lanes well enough to tell what the problem is. Can anyone help or have any ideas? Based on my scuffing my Impulse Zone very light and helping it a bit, I would guess that I might need a more agressive ball. Both my 14# balls are drilled Pin under RF and MB in the strong position. I have low revs and 14-16 mph speed.....Any recommendations on balls that will handle more oil and balls that will handle carry down? I require balls more aggressive than some people because of my low revs. I really want to stick with Brunswick, Storm, and Ebonite if possible.

Can anyone help?
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mumzie · « **Reply #1 on:** January 18, 2005, 05:53:18 PM »

Did the ball move ok in the second house before 3 weeks ago?

What part of the lane are you playing?

Is the lane machine stripping, or just adding more oil?

If the ball is moving "2-3 boards" have you tried playing straight up 15? That's what works on a really oily, sport shot...

It could be carrydown- but usually a house full of better bowlers won't ALL Struggle like that...

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 18, 2005, 06:26:29 PM »

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Did the ball move ok in the second house before 3 weeks ago?

What part of the lane are you playing?

Mumzie, I was all over the lanes. The 5 board, 6-7-8, etc. Straight up and also in an angle towards pocket. I could hit the pocket shooting between the 1st and 2nd arrows and aiming at the 3 pin, but when the ball hit pocket, it hit soft. Tried 2nd arrow in warm-up and couldn't make it to pocket, neither straight up or throwing over it out to 7-8 as I normally do. After I reluctantly scuffed my IZ the latter part of 2nd game, as said in my post, it helped it and further scuffing may have helped it more, but I didn't want to mess it up for the house it does work in.

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Is the lane machine stripping, or just adding more oil?

Wish I could answer this question, but I can't as the lane man simply says like they all do, "nothing different than any other day. Nothing has changed, etc."
I do know they have had trouble with their oiling machine at various times the last couple of years. However they deny they have any problems with it at the moment. I walked up to foul line after bowling and wiped my hand on lane and the oil wasn't heavy at all, but my fingers were black from all of the dirt on top of oil. I wished later that I would have walked to the back on the end lanes and checked for oil, dirt, etc. I did practice in this house this past Sunday behind freshly oiled lanes, and had no problem.

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It could be carrydown- but usually a house full of better bowlers won't ALL Struggle like that...

I agree. The lefties seemed to be having not a lot, but better success than the righties.

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Did the ball move ok in the second house before 3 weeks ago?

Looking back, it seems it may have been gradually getting worse the past 6 weeks or so. I previously was using a Depth Charge in this house, but it quit working sort of like the balls are now. I then used a Triple X Factor Extreme scuffed to 600 and it did a fairly decent job although not as good as the first house. Since I dropped in weight, I no longer have those two balls, so couldn't use them today. I've also tried different speeds and that hasn't worked. I am totally confused how I can have a 3/4 roll and the ball slide straight on thru....When I cleaned my ball with Liquid Nitro after bowling today, it made my towel terrible dirty.

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sdbowler · « **Reply #3 on:** January 18, 2005, 06:33:44 PM »

To me it almost sounds like the oiler is not stripping like it should. One other thing it could be too is the stripping solution they are using doesn't clean that well. The center I use to work at we tried a different stripping solution that left a wierd film on the lane and we lost the backend reaction, we switched back to the "old" stuff and everything was fine. They may just need to clean the machine that can cause a world of problems if it is dirty. Hard to tell what could be wrong. Good luck with it.
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Old Coach · « **Reply #4 on:** January 18, 2005, 06:52:14 PM »

Sdbowleris right about the oiler not getting the backends stripped. Another potential is they may have changed oil. If they don't like to oil everyday they might have gone to a low maintenance oil for houses that only oil a couple times a week and that oil is NASTY. The carrydown never seems to go away as it just keeps moving around on the backend and in the pin decks. That type of oil will also really mess up an oiling machine. Hope things get better.

pin-chaser · « **Reply #5 on:** January 18, 2005, 06:58:19 PM »

Brickguy,

Watch the ball rotation in the midlanes. Notice when it ball appears to gain rotation..if at all in the suspect house and compare it to more successfull houses. I suspect you will see that in the suspect house you will note the ball never picking up rotation and never getting into a roll. It really does not matter why this is happening because understanding why does not help in resolving the problem. If this is so, you need a ball that wants to roll early (weight blocks that are center biased) and with a cover stock that also promotes heavy roll (such as a proactive or with a high quantity of mica). To assist an earlier rotation use layouts with pins below fingers and cg kicked right. This will also help the ball want to start/stand up earlier. This reaction will not produce skid flip but should produce roll and arc. This might not be the reaction you get in other houses but all that is necessary is for the ball to roll well into the pocket to gain carry and increase the carry percentage.

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 18, 2005, 08:57:54 PM »

Per my post, both balls have Pin under RF and the MB at about 75 degrees on the Impulse Zone and 55-60 degrees on the Triple X. This has become my favorite drilling the past 8-10 months.

I feel you folks may be right about the lane machine, no stripping, maybe changed oil, etc. Up until we began having this problem recently, the complaint in this house was no oil, oil too light, etc.

Since I scuffed my ball lightly today and it helped, doesn't this indicate I may need a more aggressive ball as pin-chaser and Bones indicates? (note...due to my low revs, I seem to need stronger balls and stronger drillings for the same conditions that others need weaker balls and drillings for)......What ball would any of you folks suggest in the Brunswick, Storm, Ebonite line?

Lets say that if the oil is really medium oil with dirty or unstripped backends, carry down, etc. what ball will work? Is the Goliath too much ball for this? Or similar balls in the Ebonite line? I'm not sure if Storm has thius type ball or not.

Can anyone give me an idea here. I don't want to go out and buy a ball that won't work....lol
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Edited on 1/18/2005 9:58 PM

pin-chaser · « **Reply #7 on:** January 19, 2005, 12:36:48 PM »

I sent private message.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2005, 09:58:30 AM »

Thanks a bunch to those of you that replied offering opinions and suggestions. I appreciate it.
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JohnP · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2005, 01:56:07 PM »

Brickguy221 -- If the problem is either carry down or excess oil rather than too little oil resulting in burn out, I think the Goliath would be an excellent choice. Its reputation (I have not actually sold one of these yet, so am just going on what I've read and heard) is that it breaks early and arcs. At its price, give it a try. Let us know how it works. -- JohnP

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2005, 03:23:06 PM »

John, a couple other people have also recommended the Goliath. I am looking at it and waiting on some information from Brunswick's Tom Tomaras. Since BrunsRicH didn't reply to my inquiry, I contacted BrunsBob and he recommended the Goliath, so it sounds like that may be the way to go. I am also looking at another Impulse Zone and take the polish off and scotchbrite it down to 400-600.

Also looking into the Storm Vertigo.

If I decide to go with the Goliath, I will need drilling advice. Ditto for the Vertigo. I already have an Impulse Zone which I love, so I pretty much know how I would drill it.

Does anyone have any opinions on these suggested balls? All help appreciated a lot.

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Edited on 1/22/2005 7:48 PM

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