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thewhiz

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De oiling a ball
« on: September 04, 2016, 06:53:50 AM »
Would it be better to use a Nuball rejuvinator or would a bucket of hot soapy water do the trick just as well?
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2016, 10:00:23 AM »
Quote from: thewhiz on September 04, 2016, 06:53:50 AM
Would it be better to use a Nuball rejuvinator or would a bucket of hot soapy water do the trick just as well?

Whiz, do yourself an immense favor and buy the NuBall unit. I have one and love it. Just my opinion, but for extracting oil, there is no substitute for the controlled heat that you get from the Rejuvenator.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2016, 10:51:41 AM »
Grande -- Various manufacturers recommend 125 - 140* F as max temperature, 150* will  void the warranty.  Move the bucket a little further from the stove.  --  JohnP
« Last Edit: September 10, 2016, 10:53:15 AM by JohnP »
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Bowlaholic

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2016, 12:10:18 PM »
There have been a number of posts stating that you should not exceed 125 degrees because you will void the warranty.  Any balls I have had crack (complete around the entire ball) and I have had many have never even been in a oven.  They have cracked sitting on Robby ball cups in plastic bags and rotated every 30 days in a climate controlled room. 
The few that have been de-oiled in their life that cracked later on and were still under warranty were returned to the pro shop and then to the distributor for a replacement.
Never ever has a distributor or PSO say, sorry we have somehow determined you de-oiled at 130 or 135 or even 150 degrees so we will not warrant the ball.
Someone please enlighten me and the other perhaps interested posters how a PSO or distributor or even the mfg. as far as that goes can tell a ball was de-oiled sometime in it's life at 130, 135,140, 145, or 150 degrees?  I'm really interested in knowing.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #49 on: September 10, 2016, 01:45:23 PM »
Unless someone goes completely overboard with baking, any damage resulting from over warrenty temps probably won't be made into an issue. That's my guess anyway.
 
However, it doesn't make sense to me to exceed manufacturer specified limits. If they say 125 degrees, why exceed it? If a ball doesn't return oil at 125, my experience has been its not going to happen at anything higher. I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #50 on: September 10, 2016, 04:36:31 PM »
Which is better Nuball or Innovative? Or are they the same?
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Bowlaholic

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2016, 04:50:15 PM »
I don't disagree.  Over the years there have been many posts on this forum & others about heating ball temperature.  I seem to remember years ago that I read not exceed 140 degrees and this at least at the time may have been the "norm".  That's why I always kept my temperature at 135 degrees to allow a buffer.
Now it seems the norm is 125 degrees as the accepted temp. max. per the majority of ball manufactures.
I truly believe I never did any damage to any of my balls at 135 degrees.  However, I am open to change and will probably lower the temp. to 125. However, if I have a known "bleeder" like my Cyclone and I don't see the amount of oil I'm use to seeing, I may inch again to the 135 mark or in between. Gotta do what I gotta do; but 135 is my max.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2016, 04:59:08 PM »
I believe a horse apiece.  But, since I have the NuBall I'm partial to it.
Charlest may be able to give a more definitive answer.  I believe he knows the ins & outs of the NuBall as well as anybody.  Hopefully, he will be able to talk about the Innovative oven.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2016, 05:02:21 PM »
Quote from: Bowlaholic on September 10, 2016, 04:50:15 PM
I don't disagree.  Over the years there have been many posts on this forum & others about heating ball temperature.  I seem to remember years ago that I read not exceed 140 degrees and this at least at the time may have been the "norm".  That's why I always kept my temperature at 135 degrees to allow a buffer.
Now it seems the norm is 125 degrees as the accepted temp. max. per the majority of ball manufactures.
I truly believe I never did any damage to any of my balls at 135 degrees.  However, I am open to change and will probably lower the temp. to 125. However, if I have a known "bleeder" like my Cyclone and I don't see the amount of oil I'm use to seeing, I may inch again to the 135 mark or in between. Gotta do what I gotta do; but 135 is my max.

I think I know what you speaking about.
Several years back some resin (I assume in the bowling industry) told us in some public forum (possibly here) that at 140 degrees Fahrenheit, plasticizers begin to leach from the resin. Theoretically, AFAIK, plasticizer is one of the chemicals in the process that helps urethane for bowling balls (at least) become "reactive" resins. If the plasticizers get removed from the resin, it acts less like resin that we need and, as far as I have learned, perforamnce degrades.

One of the new temperature limits, 125 degrees, is now put on Storm-made and Brunswick-made bowling balls via the warranty on each bowling ball box.
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Steven

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #54 on: September 10, 2016, 05:21:24 PM »
Yea, it's hard to keep up with individual manufacturer limits. Storm and Brunswick used to be 140, but they've bumped down to 125. I've been using 125 for everything, so it doesn't really matter.

I can't see where 135 is going to inject meaningful risk. However, as charlest stated, I wouldn't exceed 140.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #55 on: September 10, 2016, 06:05:11 PM »
both units are 189-199 on Amazon with free shipping if you are a prime member. IMO, an oven is a must have tool with today's equipment
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #56 on: September 10, 2016, 06:43:38 PM »
Quote from: Dave81644 on September 10, 2016, 06:05:11 PM
both units are 189-199 on Amazon with free shipping if you are a prime member. IMO, an oven is a must have tool with today's equipment

If you're a student or a coach or a senior citizen, for the NuBall, you can use their website to ask the seller/designer for an added discount.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #57 on: September 10, 2016, 06:54:28 PM »
Just curious, I've read about others mentioning to sand it down to 500 or lower grit... but I never understood why. Does sanding it down before putting it in the oven make that much more oil come out? Or would it bleed oil out no matter what the surface is at?
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #58 on: September 10, 2016, 07:17:11 PM »
Quote from: Geetaan on September 10, 2016, 06:54:28 PM
Just curious, I've read about others mentioning to sand it down to 500 or lower grit... but I never understood why. Does sanding it down before putting it in the oven make that much more oil come out? Or would it bleed oil out no matter what the surface is at?

The point of sanding first was to "open the pores".

Over time as you used the ball. dirt and other grime from the lanes, ball lifts, belts etc. would become impacted into the porous surface of the ball.

Which could conceivably trap oil in the ball or at least hinder it's removal. By sanding your removing that dirt from the immediate surface of the ball and making it easier for the absorbed oil to come out.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #59 on: September 12, 2016, 08:19:08 AM »
Quote from: Geetaan on September 10, 2016, 06:54:28 PM
Just curious, I've read about others mentioning to sand it down to 500 or lower grit... but I never understood why. Does sanding it down before putting it in the oven make that much more oil come out? Or would it bleed oil out no matter what the surface is at?

There may be some validity to the theory of sanding the ball first, especially as Aloarjr810 has stated with dirt inhibiting the removal of oil.  However, the coverstock isn't any different on the surface than it is inside.  At a microscopic level, the coverstock resembles a sponge.  Whether a sponge is smooth or rough, it is still a sponge and looks the same (porous).

So saying that, I personally don't always resurface my ball when I de-oil.  My maintenance schedule for the two aren't the same.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #60 on: September 12, 2016, 09:18:02 AM »
This idea of needing to sand a ball to make the oil come out better is ridiculous. Sand your ball if you need to resurface it, otherwise, just use whatever method you normally do to take the oil out.

The oil got into your ball with no problem and when you apply heat, it will be forced out just fine without sanding.
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