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thewhiz

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De oiling a ball
« on: September 04, 2016, 06:53:50 AM »
Would it be better to use a Nuball rejuvinator or would a bucket of hot soapy water do the trick just as well?
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2016, 12:58:48 PM »
Hmmm.  Interesting thought.  If dirt on a ball prevents oil from coming out, then a dirty ball should keep the ball from absorbing oil.  We just need to take a new ball, rub some kind of dirt on it, and use it for a while before trying to extract oil from it as a test.  :)

Maybe we have been hoodwinked by the ball cleaning companies all this time?  :)

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2016, 01:06:54 PM »
FYI, as a test one time, I went through my normal procedure of wiping the ball surface off before every frame and after 30 games or more, doing a hot water/Dawn bath, then put the ball into a NuBall.  No oil came out that I could see. 

Another test, just wiped the ball off every frame, then after 30-50 games, gave the ball to pro shop with rejuvenator (don't know the brand) and had them run it through.  When I picked the ball up a few days later, I asked how much oil came out and was told 'very little'.

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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2016, 01:24:55 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on September 12, 2016, 09:18:02 AM
This idea of needing to sand a ball to make the oil come out better is ridiculous. Sand your ball if you need to resurface it, otherwise, just use whatever method you normally do to take the oil out.

The oil got into your ball with no problem and when you apply heat, it will be forced out just fine without sanding.

 
That's pretty much been my experience. Balls that didn't return oil without sanding didn't magically return oil after immediately sanding to 500.
 
The balls that bleed oil do so without any special preparation. It sounds good in theory, but it's not necessary in actual practice.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2016, 05:56:06 AM »
I just picked up a Nuball based on the recommendations here.  Undecided so far.  I ran 3 balls through so far and not one produced a drop of oil.  One was a very old pearl (Storm Blue Hot Flame) that's never been de-oiled, one was a Black Widow Bite, and the other a Loaded Revolver.  The last two don't have a ton of games on them since the last de-oiling, but thought I'd a least see a slimy sheen on the ball afterwards.  All were run at 125 degrees.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2016, 07:13:02 AM »
Quote from: Strider on September 20, 2016, 05:56:06 AM
I just picked up a Nuball based on the recommendations here.  Undecided so far.  I ran 3 balls through so far and not one produced a drop of oil.  One was a very old pearl (Storm Blue Hot Flame) that's never been de-oiled, one was a Black Widow Bite, and the other a Loaded Revolver.  The last two don't have a ton of games on them since the last de-oiling, but thought I'd a least see a slimy sheen on the ball afterwards.  All were run at 125 degrees.

It depends on the ball and your cleaning regimen. The NuBall and heat work. period. That is not in doubt.
Did you let it run for at least an hour?
You could try to set the temp a little higher, like 135, but if nothing came out at 125, I sincerely doubt if it will at 135, although it is possible.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2016, 01:16:03 PM »
I agree, raise the temp up to 135 and keep it in there for an hour or more and see.  Also, don't keep opening it up to check the progress, that lets out all the heat, so just set it and forget it. 

I have had very good results with the Nuball.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2016, 08:48:44 PM »
I did every ball for 60 minutes at 125-130 degrees never opening the chamber.  Heat's heat, it should be working.  I may just need a test ball that I know is oil logged.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2016, 09:39:31 PM »
Quote from: Strider on September 20, 2016, 08:48:44 PM
I did every ball for 60 minutes at 125-130 degrees never opening the chamber.  Heat's heat, it should be working.  I may just need a test ball that I know is oil logged.

 
It's been noted repeatedly that balls wiped between shots and cleaned immediately after use rarely return oil in a heat chamber (NuBall or otherwise). I thought my NuBall was defective when I first got it because nothing I owned was bleeding back oil.
 
When I started de-oiling poorly maintained teammate's balls, I found out otherwise. It's taken me up to 6 hours to completely de-oil a few of those disasters. NuBall works, but not so much if you take care of your stuff.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2016, 07:01:14 AM »
Quote from: Steven on September 20, 2016, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: Strider on September 20, 2016, 08:48:44 PM
I did every ball for 60 minutes at 125-130 degrees never opening the chamber.  Heat's heat, it should be working.  I may just need a test ball that I know is oil logged.

 
It's been noted repeatedly that balls wiped between shots and cleaned immediately after use rarely return oil in a heat chamber (NuBall or otherwise). I thought my NuBall was defective when I first got it because nothing I owned was bleeding back oil.
 
When I started de-oiling poorly maintained teammate's balls, I found out otherwise. It's taken me up to 6 hours to completely de-oil a few of those disasters. NuBall works, but not so much if you take care of your stuff.

May I politely re-phrase that?
"NuBall always works: when there is oil in the ball to be extracted, NuBall will bring it to the surface."
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2016, 10:31:30 AM »
Quote from: charlest on September 21, 2016, 07:01:14 AM


May I politely re-phrase that?
"NuBall always works: when there is oil in the ball to be extracted, NuBall will bring it to the surface."

 
Correction accepted.  :)
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2016, 10:37:58 AM »
Quote from: Steven on September 20, 2016, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: Strider on September 20, 2016, 08:48:44 PM
I did every ball for 60 minutes at 125-130 degrees never opening the chamber.  Heat's heat, it should be working.  I may just need a test ball that I know is oil logged.

 
It's been noted repeatedly that balls wiped between shots and cleaned immediately after use rarely return oil in a heat chamber (NuBall or otherwise). I thought my NuBall was defective when I first got it because nothing I owned was bleeding back oil.
 
When I started de-oiling poorly maintained teammate's balls, I found out otherwise. It's taken me up to 6 hours to completely de-oil a few of those disasters. NuBall works, but not so much if you take care of your stuff.

I've done a couple of those myself. It was crazy how it just kept pouring out, and I wiped the ball off periodically as well.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #72 on: September 21, 2016, 10:51:42 AM »
Thanks to one of the BR members here (milo), I was able to use the NuBall this past weekend. Two of my lane masters didn't produce oil, but one of the storm ball's did - 20 mins in the nuball. Other lane masters owned by a friend, well his equipment didn't bleed oil too.

I guess the brand too makes a difference lol
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #73 on: September 21, 2016, 11:11:43 AM »
Quote from: CoorZero on September 21, 2016, 10:37:58 AM

I've done a couple of those myself. It was crazy how it just kept pouring out, and I wiped the ball off periodically as well.

 
Yea, crazy and scary at the same time. I took the balls out every 20-30 minutes to wipe off oil and finish off with ball cleaner. After a couple of hours, I was afraid I was bleeding plastizer and other resin chemicals from the balls. But in the end, they all reacted like NIB.
 
NuBall does work when there is oil to extract.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #74 on: September 21, 2016, 11:25:55 AM »
Quote from: xrayjay on September 21, 2016, 10:51:42 AM
Thanks to one of the BR members here (milo), I was able to use the NuBall this past weekend. Two of my lane masters didn't produce oil, but one of the storm ball's did - 20 mins in the nuball. Other lane masters owned by a friend, well his equipment didn't bleed oil too.

I guess the brand too makes a difference lol


Were they the original LM balls or the newer ones?
I knew the original company used some special expensive resins that absorbed very little oil.
Plus some of those coverstocks were over 2" thick.
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Re: De oiling a ball
« Reply #75 on: September 21, 2016, 02:11:59 PM »
Quote from: charlest on September 21, 2016, 11:25:55 AM
Quote from: xrayjay on September 21, 2016, 10:51:42 AM
Thanks to one of the BR members here (milo), I was able to use the NuBall this past weekend. Two of my lane masters didn't produce oil, but one of the storm ball's did - 20 mins in the nuball. Other lane masters owned by a friend, well his equipment didn't bleed oil too.

I guess the brand too makes a difference lol


Were they the original LM balls or the newer ones?
I knew the original company used some special expensive resins that absorbed very little oil.
Plus some of those coverstocks were over 2" thick.

All LM balls done in the NuBall were from current production. For a small company, the late Tony M. done real good with these balls.
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