Author Topic: Deal or No Deal??? (Read 3237 times)

USAFweaponstroop · « **on:** January 28, 2007, 05:57:51 PM »

I'll try my best not to confuse you, so here is my story. This past friday I stopped at our local pro shop and talked to an Ebonite Rep that was there promoting their new ball the Total NV. Which I figured would be a great ball for my fiance. She currently throws a Hyjinx and Pain which she holds an average of 163. And I thought that the Total NV would a great ball to add to her arsenal. She does great in Med-Heavy Oil with her Pain her Hijinx was good for light, so the Total NV would be a great Med oil ball. Watching her bowl with the Pain which does well with oil but once the lanes start to burn up I notice the ball losing its energy (roll out) so I thought that a pearl reactive like the Total NV would be a great ball with length and being pearl and polished would help it store some energy and keep it from "rolling out?"

So we head to the pro shop Saturday hoping that they had a Total NV still available but nope SOLD OUT! So of course they try to sell us another ball! So they introduce us to a Columbia 300 rep who is there promoting the Big Shot, and he suggests the Action Attack to my fiance. After listening to him for about 5-7min about the AA, she is completely sold but I was still stuck on the Total NV. I told them that I rather see her with the Total NV and why, so now the pro shop owner comes over, whom I know pretty well, explains that if drilled right that the Action Attack can have great lenght and strong backend, which I agree with. So I tell her the "ITS YOUR MONEY!" which it was, so they offered her a great deal $159 including drilling and inserts out the door! So we picked it up today and here it is check out the picture and let me know what you think about the layout. Will this ball be what she is looking for a Long and strong reaction and keep from rolling out on less then oily lane conditions? Or should of we just waited and got the Total NV like origianlly planned? or you think it was good that we jumped on the great deal and got it anyway? She says its gonna be her last bowling ball! and I think that the Total NV would of been a better choice for being the "LAST BALL"

Here is the picture: (the top one is the AA)
http://http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4632133 http://

Here is a close up:
http://http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4632134 http://
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mrteach3 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 29, 2007, 04:08:00 AM »

I have always learned, if you can wait, wait.

That is all.
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strikemor · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2007, 04:30:18 AM »

Depending what your wife's ball speed is, a layout with the pin under the fingers could roll out. A better layout would have been to put the pin above the fingers. My wife's ball speed is about 12mph and I have to keep everything above the fingers or it will roll out. If this happens to your wife have your pro shop put a high gloss polish on it for more length.

USAFweaponstroop · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2007, 05:29:09 AM »

Could of never been more disappointed! We just got done bowling with that ball and everytime it hit the pocket it was a dud! Leaving every pin you could imagine! You can say that, hey its the first time bowling this ball and just gotta get use to it, but I almost know for a fact that, It is not what we where looking for. To me a waste of $160! Im just pissed that I let her convince me to buy a ball that, 1. We weren't looking for 2. We know nothing about.
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"I'LL LET MY BALLS DO THE TALKIN"

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4233447

If you can't fix your game, then I suggest beating it with a HAMMER!!!

scotts33 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2007, 05:40:07 AM »

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so now the pro shop owner comes over, whom I know pretty well, explains that if drilled right that the Action Attack can have great lenght and strong backend, which I agree with.

The layout is not a length-recovery layout but a smooth earlier roll layout. I'd take it back and tell him what you quote above and say we want our $ back or you give us what we wanted initially.

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Grayson · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2007, 05:40:56 AM »

like mrteacher say... if you can wait... wait... my philosophy,too.
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Tsunami
and Carbide+
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Have fun and bowl well!

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agroves · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2007, 06:30:20 AM »

I'm suprised, when a guy with a 160 avg posts a video, the first comments usually have to deal with "why do you have more than one or two balls?"......

Definitely not a length layout, but what his her stats? Ball speed, rev rate, etc.

Andrew
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USAFweaponstroop · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2007, 07:02:41 AM »

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I'm suprised, when a guy with a 160 avg posts a video, the first comments usually have to deal with "why do you have more than one or two balls?"......

Definitely not a length layout, but what his her stats? Ball speed, rev rate, etc.

Not to sure what you meant with the first part of your reply? What do you mean?
and with her stats, which is gonna be quite difficult cause she hasn't been measured for anything yet so Im going by eye, so its gonna all be about...Ball Weight 13lbs...Ball speed 11.5-12mph...Stroker...Medium Revs...Very low track (she releases the ball wrong, I personally think that the ball is alittle to heavy but she does not want to go to a lower weight, almost twisting her wrist, trust me Im still trying to fix it...but thats all I got.
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"I'LL LET MY BALLS DO THE TALKIN"

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4233447

If you can't fix your game, then I suggest beating it with a HAMMER!!!

janderson · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2007, 09:29:42 AM »

There are just so many variables involved - release, speed, tilt, rotation, lane surface, lane surface wear, pattern, type of conditioner, ball surface preparation, layout, core, and on and on - that it is difficult to predict to a high degree of certainty exactly what a ball will do for one specific bowler. This is even more true when the ball rep and pro shop tech haven't seen the bowler throw the ball.

Yes, a company ball rep can tell you what the ball was designed to do. Yes, a pro shop tech can set you up with a layout that is designed to produce a certain type of reaction. Yes, a lane tech can tell you what type of ball reaction the lane conditions will generally produce.

After that, it is all up to the bowler.

What I'm trying to say is "your mileage may vary". If you decide to buy a new release, consider that you are volunteering your money to be one of the "test bunnies" for the bowling community. Balls don't always do what they're designed to do just like not all of the monkeys shot into space survived.

Potential solutions? Try it before you buy it. Check your area for a "demo days" event. Find someone who has the ball that interests you and who has a span close to yours and ask if you can try it. Have your pro shop tech watch you throw some balls or take video to him so that he can make a better informed recommendation.
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Edited on 1/29/2007 10:28 AM

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2007, 09:35:19 AM »

Very often ...new ball...new driller...sometimes the release is not quite yet butter...bevel...pitch adjustment can make that "BAD" ball...hit much better!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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APheLion · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2007, 09:41:06 AM »

well i think if she managed with the Pain and Hyjinx, that $160 would be a better investment for a coach.

if she understands about adjustment, speed, tilt instead of trying always hit the same mark, the total NV would be a great investment. However, if she doesnt have much knowledge about the game, the total NV would be just another ball that wont change her game too much.

its just my opinion

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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one

This guy on youtube posts videos of the PBA
for ppl who dont watch TV or want to save the matches this will be great!
link! click me

Grayson · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2007, 11:18:27 AM »

quote:
well i think if she managed with the Pain and Hyjinx, that $160 would be a better investment for a coach.

if she understands about adjustment, speed, tilt instead of trying always hit the same mark, the total NV would be a great investment. However, if she doesnt have much knowledge about the game, the total NV would be just another ball that wont change her game too much.

its just my opinion
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one

This guy on youtube posts videos of the PBA
for ppl who dont watch TV or want to save the matches this will be great!
link! click me

I agree... but when I buy a new ball... I expect something new and a bigger succes in the game... so I can understand the point about the new ball not doing as expected.
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Lane#1 XXXL
Tsunami
and Carbide+
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Have fun and bowl well!

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and by the way... I am a "Fritz" a "Jerry"... I am from Germany! (And please don't call me Kraut! Cause then I call you Dumbarse)

leftehh- LG · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2007, 01:34:12 PM »

Yea I think that Total NV would have been a bad call for what you were looking for.

PLus 11-12 mph is not going to have a lot of momentum to strike.
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Edited on 1/29/2007 2:35 PM

JohnP · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2007, 02:46:02 PM »

quote:
Ball Weight 13lbs

Question answered. The websites I've checked show the Total NV available only in 14, 15, and 16 lbs. -- JohnP

serice · « **Reply #14 on:** January 29, 2007, 03:56:46 PM »

blowersparadise.com has it in 12 and 13 lbs.

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