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Deep Sympathy To Randy
« on: February 06, 2022, 06:22:48 PM »
Randy has his heart broken today as the greatest bowler on the planet went down in defeat getting beaten by a score of 180. Maybe now when we tune in for a PBA event we will not have to listen to all the praise for Jason and very little for all the other bowlers.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2022, 06:33:46 PM »
BTW 0-3 against him in match play and no complaints he’s just better
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2022, 07:00:06 PM »
Looks like Belmo was in the wrong ball. Once Simo changed to something stronger that turned the corner when the ball was sent out to the right he was in good shape. Belmo looked like he was going to stick with the Wolverine no matter what. He looked discombobulated in the 10th frame when he got up to bowl. EJ seemed to be in the wrong ball as well the Venom Shock. The last ball EJ used in the 10th frame looked like that's what he needed. Maybe the Venom Shock gave EJ a good look warming up. I didn't care who won or lost that was just my observation.

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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2022, 07:50:06 PM »
I agree he may of thought he needed a big game after watching Anthony throw a few shots or just thought lanes were transitioning into a spot where he thought 250 was the number he had to chase

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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2022, 08:46:21 PM »
The best bowler on the planet got beaten today by
The youngest bowler to win a major
The youngest bowler to win 2 majors
The youngest bowler to win 3 majors
But the youngest figured out what he needed to do with a great ball change decision and Anthony deserves the $100.000 he won today.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2022, 09:12:43 PM »
Looks like Belmo was in the wrong ball. Once Simo changed to something stronger that turned the corner when the ball was sent out to the right he was in good shape. Belmo looked like he was going to stick with the Wolverine no matter what. He looked discombobulated in the 10th frame when he got up to bowl. EJ seemed to be in the wrong ball as well the Venom Shock. The last ball EJ used in the 10th frame looked like that's what he needed. Maybe the Venom Shock gave EJ a good look warming up. I didn't care who won or lost that was just my observation.

Yeah I don't get why Belmo stayed with the Wolverine. Way too much over/under. Simo was getting poor reaction with it as well and had he not switched to the Reality for the 9th/10th, Belmo's 168 is likely good enough to bowl EJ for the title.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2022, 05:30:21 AM »
The best bowler on the planet got beaten today by
The youngest bowler to win a major
The youngest bowler to win 2 majors
The youngest bowler to win 3 majors
But the youngest figured out what he needed to do with a great ball change decision and Anthony deserves the $100.000 he won today.

I don't think anyone is disputing that, but it's not necessary to take potshots at Belmonte and Randy in order to make that point.

The fact is, Belmonte *is* the greatest bowler on the planet, and the greatest of his generation. Only total wins is keeping him from being unilaterally called the best of all time, and that's more a function of his age than anything. He'll be competing all the way up to his eligibility for PBA50, I'd bet. He's going to challenge Walter Ray's total title count, and he has a legitimate chance to double Earl's major title count before it's all said and done.

It's also a well-known fact that Belmonte himself identified Simonsen 5-6 years ago as the guy most likely to challenge whatever records he sets. Belmonte has plenty of respect for Simonsen and the feeling appears to be mutual. Let it play out, without the personal stuff. It's not needed.

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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2022, 06:52:12 AM »
Have to admit I was shocked at what Belmo did regarding the ball change and not sure what he saw that made him think he needed to change balls.  Think this was a case of over-analyzing instead of coming to the realization he didnt need to shoot 250 considering the pattern they were on.  He just got done shooting 470 for two and decided to change. After shooting 470 for the first two, all it would have taken to win major #15 is 181 and 166 those final two games.  On top of the fact the pattern is very flat; he used urethane which means there had to be some carry down near the breakpoint.  Right???  So wouldnt you think a big skid/flip ball would be the last thing you would go to?  Obviously sitting on a couch and watching is easier than being in the moment and having to make decisions on the fly.  But this is Belmo we are talking about.  Belmo just happened to show his human side yesterday as the worst possible time.  Congrats to Simonson for making the gutsy call to switch to the Reality when he did. 

Regarding Tackett; he went with old faithful and probably the ball that he used most of the week to get him to the show.  However, he just threw it bad.  So it didnt really matter what ball he was throwing.  The fact that Simonson was using a tighter line with a stronger ball should have told him something.  My guess is that he was deeper because he wanted to stay away from the area of the lane that saw urethane.  But that is just a guess. 
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2022, 09:44:24 AM »
The best bowler on the planet got beaten today by
The youngest bowler to win a major
The youngest bowler to win 2 majors
The youngest bowler to win 3 majors
But the youngest figured out what he needed to do with a great ball change decision and Anthony deserves the $100.000 he won today.

I don't think anyone is disputing that, but it's not necessary to take potshots at Belmonte and Randy in order to make that point.

The fact is, Belmonte *is* the greatest bowler on the planet, and the greatest of his generation. Only total wins is keeping him from being unilaterally called the best of all time, and that's more a function of his age than anything. He'll be competing all the way up to his eligibility for PBA50, I'd bet. He's going to challenge Walter Ray's total title count, and he has a legitimate chance to double Earl's major title count before it's all said and done.

It's also a well-known fact that Belmonte himself identified Simonsen 5-6 years ago as the guy most likely to challenge whatever records he sets. Belmonte has plenty of respect for Simonsen and the feeling appears to be mutual. Let it play out, without the personal stuff. It's not needed.

Randy repeatedly proclaims Jason as the greatest bowler on the planet and one would almost think he was in love with him. When Jason is on the show with Randy and dumb bell Rob one would think that Jason is the only one who knew how to bowl, it is a favoritism that is very evident from these 2 announcers which personally I get very tired of hearing. As far as the skills of Jason I nor anyone else can dispute and for the reasons stated above yes I do enjoy seeing him defeated. At one point in the past Jason did say that Anthony would be his heir apparent.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2022, 12:00:08 PM »
The best bowler on the planet got beaten today by
The youngest bowler to win a major
The youngest bowler to win 2 majors
The youngest bowler to win 3 majors
But the youngest figured out what he needed to do with a great ball change decision and Anthony deserves the $100.000 he won today.

I don't think anyone is disputing that, but it's not necessary to take potshots at Belmonte and Randy in order to make that point.

The fact is, Belmonte *is* the greatest bowler on the planet, and the greatest of his generation. Only total wins is keeping him from being unilaterally called the best of all time, and that's more a function of his age than anything. He'll be competing all the way up to his eligibility for PBA50, I'd bet. He's going to challenge Walter Ray's total title count, and he has a legitimate chance to double Earl's major title count before it's all said and done.

It's also a well-known fact that Belmonte himself identified Simonsen 5-6 years ago as the guy most likely to challenge whatever records he sets. Belmonte has plenty of respect for Simonsen and the feeling appears to be mutual. Let it play out, without the personal stuff. It's not needed.

Randy repeatedly proclaims Jason as the greatest bowler on the planet and one would almost think he was in love with him. When Jason is on the show with Randy and dumb bell Rob one would think that Jason is the only one who knew how to bowl, it is a favoritism that is very evident from these 2 announcers which personally I get very tired of hearing. As far as the skills of Jason I nor anyone else can dispute and for the reasons stated above yes I do enjoy seeing him defeated. At one point in the past Jason did say that Anthony would be his heir apparent.

Yea, Randy would drop to his knees if he thought Belmonte was willing. But Randy is also infatuated with the human q-tip too.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2022, 01:32:27 PM »
Fortunately or Unfortunately Belmo equals viewers.

He is the Dallas Cowboys/ NY Yankees/ LA Lakers of the bowling world.  He has his fans and deservedly gets credit for making the 2 handed approach mainstream and has brought new bowlers into the sport.  People also watch, to watch him lose.

He is the Tiger Woods of bowling.  The PBA wanted a Superstar to build the world of bowling around and it's Jason.  Soon it may be Anthony or Troup.  One of the complaints I hear from the casual bowler is that they'll watch TV one week and then the next week, they're asking who are these 5 guys?  It's a limit of bowling where only 5 guys get featured each week, while in golf, you can feature way more.

The casual bowler has no idea who Jake Peters is.  They may some given his skillset, but if you talk to casual bowlers, Jason Belmonte is it.

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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2022, 03:45:00 PM »
I agree. The unending Belmo praise is tiresome. However, he is the best doing it right now. Anthony was the first bowler that did not choke in the clutch, thus putting the pressure on Belmo in the tenth frame. Belmo choked. Plain and simple. I still would not have bet against Belmo in that situation. But he definitely choked.

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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2022, 05:32:05 PM »
When Belmo got up in the tenth frame then he backed off and the camera was on his face and you could just tell that he was very concerned no confidence at all.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2022, 12:33:08 AM »
Have to admit I was shocked at what Belmo did regarding the ball change and not sure what he saw that made him think he needed to change balls.  Think this was a case of over-analyzing instead of coming to the realization he didnt need to shoot 250 considering the pattern they were on.  He just got done shooting 470 for two and decided to change. After shooting 470 for the first two, all it would have taken to win major #15 is 181 and 166 those final two games.  On top of the fact the pattern is very flat; he used urethane which means there had to be some carry down near the breakpoint.  Right???  So wouldnt you think a big skid/flip ball would be the last thing you would go to?  Obviously sitting on a couch and watching is easier than being in the moment and having to make decisions on the fly.  But this is Belmo we are talking about.  Belmo just happened to show his human side yesterday as the worst possible time.  Congrats to Simonson for making the gutsy call to switch to the Reality when he did. 
 

Same. Belmonte (or Belmonte plus a whole pack of SPI ball reps) made a tactical error on the Wolverine. I'm not surprised, necessarily, that Belmonte would go to that ball; if you saw him interviewed on the Beef & Barnzy podcast prior to the start of the season, you found out that Belmonte probably doesn't have as much working knowledge of the SPI product line as you would expect. He talked about how difficult it is to get equipment shipped to Australia and basically his strategy for equipment was to find a few pieces he knows he'll always like, and then trust ball reps to fill in the gaps. On top of that, at the Players the week, he apparently used only a very few balls, with the Wolverine being used most of them all. I'm sure that's where his comfort came from.

The problem there is that the TV pair for 2+ years now has been incredibly squirrelly at the breakpoint. There seems to be a point around the second or third match where they turn to cake, but then the bowlers lose their looks again. It seems that everyone who has won has done so by prioritizing the management of friction at the breakpoint above everything else.

So what does Belmo do? He pulls out one of the most skid-snappy balls in the catalog and tries to make it work on the TV pair.

Simonsen's move to the Reality was where everything turned. There have been a lot of big, strong cores/covers used to great success the last couple of years with the caveat of having the surfaces changed. It seems to be either that, or urethane.

Recall that Dombrowski opened up his regional Players semi by trying to throw a Tropical Surge and it went 60 feet straight out of the back of the machine. He's the only guy this year that showed any success with what I'd consider a "weaker" ball, and even that was a solid (Electrify).

To be honest, the second-best look to Simonsen on TV (certainly with resin) this week was not really Belmo, but was probably Peters, but he was spraying it too much to advance.

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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2022, 06:52:49 AM »
Have to admit I was shocked at what Belmo did regarding the ball change and not sure what he saw that made him think he needed to change balls.  Think this was a case of over-analyzing instead of coming to the realization he didnt need to shoot 250 considering the pattern they were on.  He just got done shooting 470 for two and decided to change. After shooting 470 for the first two, all it would have taken to win major #15 is 181 and 166 those final two games.  On top of the fact the pattern is very flat; he used urethane which means there had to be some carry down near the breakpoint.  Right???  So wouldnt you think a big skid/flip ball would be the last thing you would go to?  Obviously sitting on a couch and watching is easier than being in the moment and having to make decisions on the fly.  But this is Belmo we are talking about.  Belmo just happened to show his human side yesterday as the worst possible time.  Congrats to Simonson for making the gutsy call to switch to the Reality when he did. 
 

Same. Belmonte (or Belmonte plus a whole pack of SPI ball reps) made a tactical error on the Wolverine. I'm not surprised, necessarily, that Belmonte would go to that ball; if you saw him interviewed on the Beef & Barnzy podcast prior to the start of the season, you found out that Belmonte probably doesn't have as much working knowledge of the SPI product line as you would expect. He talked about how difficult it is to get equipment shipped to Australia and basically his strategy for equipment was to find a few pieces he knows he'll always like, and then trust ball reps to fill in the gaps. On top of that, at the Players the week, he apparently used only a very few balls, with the Wolverine being used most of them all. I'm sure that's where his comfort came from.

The problem there is that the TV pair for 2+ years now has been incredibly squirrelly at the breakpoint. There seems to be a point around the second or third match where they turn to cake, but then the bowlers lose their looks again. It seems that everyone who has won has done so by prioritizing the management of friction at the breakpoint above everything else.

So what does Belmo do? He pulls out one of the most skid-snappy balls in the catalog and tries to make it work on the TV pair.

Simonsen's move to the Reality was where everything turned. There have been a lot of big, strong cores/covers used to great success the last couple of years with the caveat of having the surfaces changed. It seems to be either that, or urethane.

Recall that Dombrowski opened up his regional Players semi by trying to throw a Tropical Surge and it went 60 feet straight out of the back of the machine. He's the only guy this year that showed any success with what I'd consider a "weaker" ball, and even that was a solid (Electrify).

To be honest, the second-best look to Simonsen on TV (certainly with resin) this week was not really Belmo, but was probably Peters, but he was spraying it too much to advance.

Interestingly enough, in his listed arsenal; he had a Trend 2 which would have been a better choice in hindsight but also knows exactly what that ball does for obvious reasons.  But even still.  What did he see that we apparently didnt that after shooting 470 for two games made him feel he needed to change balls?

The lanes getting squirrely is a direct result of the heavier use of urethane.  Whereas only a select few were using it 5 years ago (Butturff, Svensson), the amount of use over the past 3 years between the Pitch Black and Purple Hammer; just about everyone on Tour has one now, including Rash (UC3).   
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