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Rileybowler

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Deep Sympathy To Randy
« on: February 06, 2022, 06:22:48 PM »
Randy has his heart broken today as the greatest bowler on the planet went down in defeat getting beaten by a score of 180. Maybe now when we tune in for a PBA event we will not have to listen to all the praise for Jason and very little for all the other bowlers.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2022, 10:29:32 AM »
The only reason I could think of for the ball change is he had a 220 look with urethane by the end of game 2 and he might have thought that wouldn't be enough to beat Simonsen.  He had the pocket with the pitch black but as he was moving deeper with it I assume he knew there would be a lot of 10 pins coming his way.

Obviously in hindsight he should have stuck with urethane and based on the scores the last 2 games I don't see any way Belmo would have lost.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2022, 10:36:57 AM »
There is a lot of ifs, well what if those who choked hadn't choked would he have made it as far probably not, but Antony did not choke he stepped up in the tenth executed with a ball he had thrown only 1 frame with and put the pressure on Belmo and won. There is a whole lot of talk on Belmo in this thread but the credit needs to be given to Anthony for a great ball change as well as great execution in the 10th frame.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2022, 10:51:00 AM »
Quote from: Rileybowler on February 08, 2022, 10:36:57 AM
There is a lot of ifs, well what if those who choked hadn't choked would he have made it as far probably not, but Antony did not choke he stepped up in the tenth executed with a ball he had thrown only 1 frame with and put the pressure on Belmo and won. There is a whole lot of talk on Belmo in this thread but the credit needs to be given to Anthony for a great ball change as well as great execution in the 10th frame.

Or credit should be given to Anthony's ball reps for advising him on which ball to change to.  Yes, he had the gumption to change but I don't think he can take full credit for it.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2022, 11:27:22 AM »
It would be nice if Anthony or Belmo had been asked what they saw and what gave them trouble with the way the pattern broke down.  Belmo has been known to loft the gutter cap to avoid the problems in the front part of the lane or reduce hook. Anthony can pretty much do it all and some. Yet they both struggled. I would liked to have seen Norm Duke in the finals. Bet he would have stayed far right and shot higher than 180.

At any rate, Peterson at one point in an earlier match said Belmo was smelling blood and took advantage of it. He gave no credit to Anthony needing to throw three, stepping up and throwing three and putting pressure on Belmo. That is a sign of greatness. And he said nothing about how Belmo failed to handle the pressure.

Btw, ball reps are overrated. The pressure is on the bowler to go up and make the shot. He gets the credit if he performs, and surely can't blame it on equipment failure of the ball rep if he chokes in the clutch. Yea, Belmo would have struck if the ball rep had given him the right ball. I don't think so.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2022, 11:50:21 AM »
I'm not the biggest Simonsen fan, but he's an incredibly diverse, talented bowler, and he deserves credit for the decision making and shot making that won him another major title.

Now, as for Belmo, I'm sorry, but I don't see what happened to him as a choke in any way, shape, or form. For me, a choke is when you have a great look, but you mess it up because you're too amped up/nervous about the peripheral stuff. That wasn't the case with Belmo at all. He made a bad ball change, and he couldn't out-bowl it when he needed to most. I would have only looked at it as a choke had he aced the last 3-4 shots only to throw it out the window when he needed it most.

We have to remember that these guys, Belmo in particular, are the very best in the world. With that in mind, they honestly believe they can pull off whatever shot they need whenever they need it, and they feel that way because many of them have proven the ability to do it time and time again.

Think back to PDW's "Who do you think you are? I am!" moment. That was one of the greatest shots in the history of bowling when you consider what was riding on it. Even if I had Pete's look, I probably wouldn't have pulled that shot off because my mind would've drifted to the title, the money, the people watching, etc. THAT would be a choke.

I think Belmo picked the wrong ball because he didn't expect to be able to grind out a low 200 game win over a guy like Simonsen. He realized his choice was bad, but he felt like he could still make the shot he needed to win as long as he aced it. This time, he didn't ace it. That doesn't mean that he choked. It just means that nobody comes through every single time. Michael Jordan missed a lot of potential game-winners. What made him great was that he was just as confident he'd make the next one, and he often did. I think that Belmo will be just fine the next time he's up with a chance to win.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2022, 12:27:40 PM »
For the last couple of games, none of the bowlers had a good look. For sure, Anthony did not have a good look going into the tenth frame. His max score was 180 and he opened in the 9th. He got up and executed. Belmo got up and did not execute.

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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2022, 03:28:20 PM »
Quote from: ccrider on February 08, 2022, 12:27:40 PM
For the last couple of games, none of the bowlers had a good look. For sure, Anthony did not have a good look going into the tenth frame. His max score was 180 and he opened in the 9th. He got up and executed. Belmo got up and did not execute.

That's 100% accurate. I'm just saying that failing to execute doesn't automatically = a choke in my book. I know people have their own opinions on that, but, for me, it's only a choke if you fail to come through because the moment was too big for you. The moment wasn't too big for Belmo. He just didn't make the shot he needed. Simonsen did, so congrats to him on getting it done.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2022, 05:02:07 PM »
Quote from: Gene J Kanak on February 08, 2022, 03:28:20 PM
Quote from: ccrider on February 08, 2022, 12:27:40 PM
For the last couple of games, none of the bowlers had a good look. For sure, Anthony did not have a good look going into the tenth frame. His max score was 180 and he opened in the 9th. He got up and executed. Belmo got up and did not execute.

That's 100% accurate. I'm just saying that failing to execute doesn't automatically = a choke in my book. I know people have their own opinions on that, but, for me, it's only a choke if you fail to come through because the moment was too big for you. The moment wasn't too big for Belmo. He just didn't make the shot he needed. Simonsen did, so congrats to him on getting it done.

Ok. You drunk some of the  KOOLAIDE too!!! Sweet isn’t it?

That day fir that shot the moment was too big for him. He almost 😱.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2022, 05:13:38 PM »
Belmonte "choked" because he lost the correct line/ball for the pattern in the final round?

Please...

I guess that means everyone here who has never won a US Open are just choking losers then. And no, I'm not a Belmo fanboy.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2022, 05:54:43 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on February 08, 2022, 05:13:38 PM
Belmonte "choked" because he lost the correct line/ball for the pattern in the final round?

Please...

I guess that means everyone here who has never won a US Open are just choking losers then. And no, I'm not a Belmo fanboy.

The big difference here is this the most of us are not professionals Belmo is and one would think that if a ball isn't working then you change balls or lines or whatever it is that you do. Someone else several post ago said that he listened to a show that Belmo was on and that he really didn't know the equipment that well.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2022, 06:17:46 PM »
Quote from: Rileybowler on February 08, 2022, 05:54:43 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on February 08, 2022, 05:13:38 PM
Belmonte "choked" because he lost the correct line/ball for the pattern in the final round?

Please...

I guess that means everyone here who has never won a US Open are just choking losers then. And no, I'm not a Belmo fanboy.

The big difference here is this the most of us are not professionals Belmo is and one would think that if a ball isn't working then you change balls or lines or whatever it is that you do. Someone else several post ago said that he listened to a show that Belmo was on and that he really didn't know the equipment that well.

Just because someone is a professional doesn't mean they're always going to make the right choice or be 100% all the time.

With the score fest of the Storm Cup right now and Belmonte struggling, I think something with his timing and targeting is a little off right now. Of course as I say that, he's gone 1,024 his last 4 games
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2022, 06:27:12 PM »
Quote from: Rileybowler on February 08, 2022, 05:54:43 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on February 08, 2022, 05:13:38 PM
Belmonte "choked" because he lost the correct line/ball for the pattern in the final round?

Please...

I guess that means everyone here who has never won a US Open are just choking losers then. And no, I'm not a Belmo fanboy.

The big difference here is this the most of us are not professionals Belmo is and one would think that if a ball isn't working then you change balls or lines or whatever it is that you do. Someone else several post ago said that he listened to a show that Belmo was on and that he really didn't know the equipment that well.

How is that choking? If I understood correctly, he has pretty much been out of bowling recently. Dude having a bad game is not the same as choking.

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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2022, 10:24:24 PM »
Yeah, somehow this thread turned from an analysis of a (bad) choice Belmonte made in regards to equipment, and turned into a discussion of choking. I suspect that's because some people just want to look for any little thing they can to justify the hot take.

If that's the case, then literally any bad choice, bad playcall, mistake, swing of a golf club that isn't 100 percent on-point, etc., is considered "choking." Therefore, there is no winning and losing anymore, it's winning and choking.

Furthermore, I find it funny that a bunch of amateurs are sitting around on a message board calling anyone a "choker." If that's the case, we're 100x the bigger "chokers" because we never made it out on tour.

Laughable. Not to mention hypocritical to the point of being narcissistic.

Also, it doesn't take anything away from Simonsen's win to point out the mistakes the loser made.

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It would be nice if Anthony or Belmo had been asked what they saw and what gave them trouble with the way the pattern broke down.

They did ask Simonsen about it, somewhat. He mentioned there was a "problem pair" during the week that he had switched to a strong ball to combat, and it worked then and that's sort of what inspired the move on the TV pair. I watched a lot of the vlogs from qualifying during the week and it seemed like during the week, Belmonte's move was to go weaker and go around, whereas Simonsen went strong and used cover strength to blend the reaction. His choice ended up being the better one.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2022, 12:01:54 PM »
Quote from: ccrider on February 08, 2022, 05:02:07 PM
Quote from: Gene J Kanak on February 08, 2022, 03:28:20 PM
Quote from: ccrider on February 08, 2022, 12:27:40 PM
For the last couple of games, none of the bowlers had a good look. For sure, Anthony did not have a good look going into the tenth frame. His max score was 180 and he opened in the 9th. He got up and executed. Belmo got up and did not execute.

That's 100% accurate. I'm just saying that failing to execute doesn't automatically = a choke in my book. I know people have their own opinions on that, but, for me, it's only a choke if you fail to come through because the moment was too big for you. The moment wasn't too big for Belmo. He just didn't make the shot he needed. Simonsen did, so congrats to him on getting it done.

Ok. You drunk some of the  KOOLAIDE too!!! Sweet isn’t it?

That day fir that shot the moment was too big for him. He almost 😱.

You are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else, but I disagree. As others have stated, based on what you're saying, I guess any time you don't win, it's a choke. That's not the way I look at it, and I'm entitled to that opinion just as you are entitled to yours.

I'm not sure what the silly "drinking the Kool-aid" comment is all about. I'm not a fanboy of any Tour players, Belmo or otherwise. I don't dislike Belmo, but I don't revere him (or anyone else) the way that the OP alleged Randy does. Is he a good player? Obviously, but the Tour is full of amazing players. You seem to have a narrative that you want to stick to. Be my guest.
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Re: Deep Sympathy To Randy
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2022, 12:56:54 PM »
People also need to realize Belmo is almost to bowling what Tiger is to Golf.  You cant seem to turn on the Golf Channel and not hear Tiger's name is some fashion even when he isnt playing.  Yet, how many of us make sure to sit down on a Saturday and Sunday and turn on the PGA Tour when Tiger is in contention; especially during a major?  Belmo is doing things nobody has ever done, at least when it comes to majors.  Over half his 26 wins are majors and makes the TV show at more than a 50% clip.  Thats just nuts.  To tell you the truth, I am not sure why the hatred towards Belmo. 

The PBA is no different than any other professional sport.   The NBA pushes LeBron and sometimes Curry if he gets on one of his rolls.  MLB was all about Shohei last year and for good reason. The only difference with MLB is that if not for Shohei; it wouldnt be about one specific face of the league but a group of generational talent that has hit all at the same time (Acuna, Soto, Tatis, and Guerrero).   So does that mean that the ones that hate on Belmo also hate everyone else I just mentioned for the same reasons? 
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