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Destroying a lane
« on: December 05, 2011, 01:57:04 AM »
On the PBA show they implied that Mika had used the practice period, not to improve his shot, but to disrupt the shot of the other players by throwing sanded balls and plastic to try and move oil around.

 

I find this repugnant.

 

If I didn't think I could out execute my opponent then I would just as soon lose.

 

What would someone would think if I was bowling a left handed bowlers and would put a towel on my chest and do a Machuga flop down the leftside of the lane during practice and soak up all the oil for the first 15 feet?

 

They really shouldn't allow practice on the TV lanes or at the very least re-oil after practice is complete.


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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2011, 10:08:54 AM »
 Cheap? Yes. Illegal? No.  Its a shame such underhanded tactics take place. Line up, outexecute your opponent, period. Resorting to lane maintenance techniques is really phony.

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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2011, 10:23:33 AM »
"If I didn't think I could out execute my opponent then I would just as soon lose."

 

You are EXACTLY who I'd want to bowl in matchplay with money on the line.  If something like that would affect you mentally, i'd hope to get a read on that and do it just for the idea of doing it, but i'd tell you "i'm trying to break them down" or some BS line.  Call me a dick but you CAN'T call me a rule breaker.  I can live with being a dick, but I AM NOT a cheater.

 

Look, money's on the line and i'm going to do whatever physically I have to on the lanes or psychologically to disrupt you and win, if it's as easy as throwing a moon rock or plastic, i'd do it. Again, ONLY to those who allow it to disrupt their mental game.


When the focus isn't 100% on shot making, you dont have the advantage.  When i'm bowling you ESPECIALLY with $$ on the line AND brutal conditions, i'm thinking about what I have to do.  I can only control myself and what I do.



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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2011, 10:25:06 AM »
I always thought the same, but many people told me how wrong I was to think this way.
 
Basically this is the same as the bowler changing the pattern and the amount; so he does not have to bowl on the given oil pattern & amount of oil. Sounds like cheating to me. If it's not illegal, most people would  recognize it as unethical and immoral.
 
Oh, wait a second, there is no longer any such thing as ethics or morality. Sorry, I forgot.


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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2011, 10:32:59 AM »
I didn't say it would effect my mentally.

 

In fact it would embolden me thinking that you were so scared of my game that you had to resort to tactics to try and disrupt it.


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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2011, 10:57:07 AM »
Sad part is this part of the game at the pro level has become more important than the actual shot making. My opinion here but they should get no more than 3-5 shots on the tv pair, period. And to take it another step, a minimum # of balls would be inforced on the tv pair ex.- 2 strike balls and a spare ball. Once the match starts those balls are the only ones you can use.

 

Shot carving should be eliminated, it has nothing to do whatsoever with mental, it takes away from the integrity of the game. At the pro level it should be about shotmaking, who is the best, not who can destroy anothers line with 80 grit abralon....


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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2011, 11:03:27 AM »
I dont see anything wrong with what Mika did.

 

I bowl right handed and I have serveral people moving and pushing oil all across my line each time I bowl... 

 

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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2011, 11:04:18 AM »
 This happens all the time in pba events. Its either breaking down your line or breaking down someone elses. Its usually breaking down yours so you can get the needed friction. This is not breaking any rules or considered cheating by any means
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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2011, 11:06:02 AM »
Fair enough.  Then we'd have the old fashioned "bring it" match, which is the way it's supposed to be.

 

I would say though, that the bigger the prize out there, the more i'd certainly consider this "unethical" practice.  Would I? Probably not honestly, but I certainly CAN see how Mika would use this to his advantage and would not find fault in him doing so.


I don't think i'm being really unfair there. 



Pinbuster wrote on 12/5/2011 11:32 AM:
I didn't say it would effect my mentally.


 


In fact it would embolden me thinking that you were so scared of my game that you had to resort to tactics to try and disrupt it.




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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2011, 11:08:25 AM »
Yes!  Tight pairs and longer patterns require some teamwork to score large.  This is not unethical.
 



Track_Fanatic wrote on 12/5/2011 12:04 PM:This happens all the time in pba events. Its either breaking down your line or breaking down someone elses. Its usually breaking down yours so you can get the needed friction. This is not breaking any rules or considered cheating by any means


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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2011, 11:15:07 AM »
 Mika didn't make the shot easier. He made it harder for all of them. He forced his opponent to make good shots. Otherwise with those 2 and all their revs, they would have broken down the lanes in a way that would have made the shot easier for them

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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2011, 11:27:06 AM »

 



stopncrank wrote on 12/5/2011 11:57 AM:
Sad part is this part of the game at the pro level has become more important than the actual shot making. My opinion here but they should get no more than 3-5 shots on the tv pair, period. And to take it another step, a minimum # of balls would be enforced on the tv pair ex.- 2 strike balls and a spare ball. Once the match starts those balls are the only ones you can use.


 


Shot carving should be eliminated, it has nothing to do whatsoever with mental, it takes away from the integrity of the game. At the pro level it should be about shotmaking, who is the best, not who can destroy anothers line with 80 grit abralon....


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+1

 

Unlimited practice on a spare pair of lanes to loosen up/keep warm, but then no more than 5-10 shots on each lane right before the match.  They deserve a chance to see how they're playing since before the show started, but basically changing what's put out there is silly.

 

Lanes will break down and eventually give someone an advantage, but quite a few times the lanes have more or less become unplayable during the first match because someone tried too hard to manipulate the shot.  Trying to turn Shark into Cheetah because you had 10 minutes with a piece of charcoal shouldn't be what the sport is trying to represent.


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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2011, 12:17:40 PM »
Its borderline unethical...why put out a pattern and give guys 30 minutes of practice to destroy the integrity of the pattern, hell why put out a named pattern at all because by the time the lights are on it plays nothing like its intended too.

 


 



Good Times Good Times wrote on 12/5/2011 12:08 PM:
Yes!  Tight pairs and longer patterns require some teamwork to score large.  This is not unethical.
 






Track_Fanatic wrote on 12/5/2011 12:04 PM:This happens all the time in pba events. Its either breaking down your line or breaking down someone elses. Its usually breaking down yours so you can get the needed friction. This is not breaking any rules or considered cheating by any means



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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2011, 12:45:35 PM »
 Do these same ethics apply when a team tries to break down a pair at Nationals? I know guys that go in with a practice game plan just to burn up first arrow. You don't see this on a ths, because you don't need to blow a hole in the pattern.

As stated earlier. Is it illegal? No. Usbc hasn't made any ruling to the limits of surface prep before competition. Neither has the PBA. Is it a dick move on whomevers part is doing it? I guess that depends on what point of view you're looking at it from. The guy who is shimwrecking the pair, or the guy who has a blueprint of the pair and is dialed in.

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Re: Destroying a lane
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2011, 01:06:08 PM »
Not at all since their score counts the whole time.  They're taking the chance that the conditions get better.  They're willing to shoot decent the first game, then try to light it up the rest of the night.  I've never watched the eagle contenders practice; do they take extremely dull stuff just outside of their intended starting line the whole time during practice (5 or 10 minutes, not near as long as the PBA), or do they just throw their normal stuff outside to start carving a line?


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