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Gizmo823

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Detox Video
« on: April 21, 2014, 03:36:44 PM »
This is kind of an off the cuff video showing off the Detox.  Lol normally when I make a video I have to shoot it 100 times before I get one I like, but for this video, had one ball, so I got one shot at it, and this is it. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jnq-Qt-Dnw
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lilpossum1

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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2014, 06:37:07 PM »
If more people decide to do it or people want to do more balls because the cost is less, more money is made.

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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2014, 06:58:16 PM »
The shorter time frame is a benefit to the consumer, they should pay for that.  The dunk time using this machine may be twenty minutes, but you will have to change the water.  With an oven you just pull the ball out and stick in the next.  You need to figure the time spent changing water into the price.  I haven't seen that many shops with sinks and faucets in them, so the typical shop will be chasing water through the bowling center.  So now you are at half an hour a ball. 

The whole make it up in volume argument doesn't work when you are selling a service. 

Gizmo823

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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2014, 09:30:21 AM »
If a shop already has an oven, there's probably no reason to replace it.  The Detox is safer and better for the ball all the way around, so I'll argue for it over an oven. 

Sometimes it's a benefit, sometimes it's not.  We frequently have large tournaments here.  If we have the ability to do 16 balls in 8 hours as opposed to 4, all the sudden it's a lot more valuable.  We had 4 balls come in for a treatment all at the same time the other night, the boss was able to do them all and give them back by the time the guy was done bowling league as opposed to making him make another trip out the next day to pick them up. 

As far as the whole pricing model goes, a lot of prices for certain things are based on or related to time or duration of the service.  You have a base price just for the part or service itself, and then as the time involved goes up, so does the price.  It's like getting a car part changed.  You could have two different parts that cost the same, but one can be replaced in a half hour, and the other takes 2 hours to get to.  You're going to be charged a lot more for the part that takes 2 hours to get to because of just the extra labor. 

Like some shops charge different prices for different levels of drilling, a recommended pricing structure is dependent on the length of the treatment.  20 minute treatment, 15 bucks, 30 minutes, 20 bucks, 45 minutes 25 bucks, 1 hr 30 bucks . .  We're past the base cost of what the service itself costs and into the time involved or the duration. 

Gizmo, my question was really based on how often do ovens operate at a normal pro shop.  My pro shop isn't running the oven 24/7.  So that tells me there is a chance that reducing the time required isn't a "gain".  Can you clean 4 balls in the Detox in the amount of time it takes to do 1 ball in an oven?  Perhaps, but if you only have one customer come in to clean a ball every 2 hours, is it really a benefit?  Yes, the customer may not have to drop off the ball, but is it worth it for shops with ovens to convert to Detox, maybe not. 

And your support almost comes off as a commercial.  Nothing against you, but I just wonder if there is a real benefit of the Detox over the traditional oven (which a lot of shops already have).  If a shop has nothing, then this is a very good option.

Like I said before, you can run the Detox for a half hour, blow the grips out, and go throw it 5 minutes after it comes out.  Most oven treatments last around 2 hours, and from what I've heard, the charge is usually 30-35 dollars.  In 2 hours, we can do 4 Detox treatments at 20 dollars apiece.  It's cheaper, can be done while the customer waits, and is even interesting for them to watch and to tell them about.  Then of course it's more profitable for the shop because you can do more treatments in a shorter amount of time. 
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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2014, 12:24:02 PM »
A Revivor holds 2 balls, so you can do twice as many with the dunk vs the oven.

That you were able to do 4 balls for the customer and they didn't have to return to pick them up is a benefit to them, and they should pay for that.

The value of a de-oil has already been established.  This device allows a shop to do more balls per day.  This should allow the shop to make more money.  They are paying for a de-oil, not the amount of time in the dunk tank.  Just like if you buy a drill press that allows you to drill a ball faster you shouldn't lower the price.  The value of a drilling has already been established.  Are you going to charge double for the balls that have to go through a double cycle?

Stop thinking like a consumer and start thinking like a businessman. 

Gizmo823

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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2014, 01:57:03 PM »
Points taken.  I'm not the boss, but it allows us to meet the customer halfway.  It's a bit of a funky market here, we're already in a low cost market to begin with.  This is something that's kind of "new," plus we're still in the introductory special period, I'm not sure what he's going to charge when the special expires.  I imagine $25. 

A Revivor holds 2 balls, so you can do twice as many with the dunk vs the oven.

That you were able to do 4 balls for the customer and they didn't have to return to pick them up is a benefit to them, and they should pay for that.

The value of a de-oil has already been established.  This device allows a shop to do more balls per day.  This should allow the shop to make more money.  They are paying for a de-oil, not the amount of time in the dunk tank.  Just like if you buy a drill press that allows you to drill a ball faster you shouldn't lower the price.  The value of a drilling has already been established.  Are you going to charge double for the balls that have to go through a double cycle?

Stop thinking like a consumer and start thinking like a businessman.
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