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Gizmo823

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Detox Video
« on: April 21, 2014, 03:36:44 PM »
This is kind of an off the cuff video showing off the Detox.  Lol normally when I make a video I have to shoot it 100 times before I get one I like, but for this video, had one ball, so I got one shot at it, and this is it. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jnq-Qt-Dnw
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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2014, 03:57:19 PM »

Do you completely change the water each time, or can you do multiple balls before you drain the Detox?  How much of the accelerator do you use per cycle? 
 

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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2014, 05:30:28 PM »
Very cool. If it were a little bigger you could fit the whole ball.
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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2014, 07:55:17 AM »
You actually can fit the whole ball in, just need to put a little more water in there.  Again, we generally don't so that the thumbhole stays dry and cool.

Jayhawk recommends changing the water whenever you take a ball out and you can't see the bottom of the bucket.  You use about an ounce of the accelerator, but they say you don't really need to, the accelerator slightly changes the frequency and makes it go a little faster.  Or it's not some special additive that is an actual required part of the process.  It just uses tap water, so really about your only cost with this thing is the unit itself. 

You pull the rack out, put the ball thumbhole up in it, plop it down in there, then once it's done, you pull it out, hit it with some ball cleaner and a towel, and either use an air hose or the shop vac at the drill press to get the water out of the finger grips/holes, and you're done.  Ball cools back to room temperature in about 5 minutes.  It's a lot more efficient and a lot safer than an oven.  It's cheaper for the customer, plus a lot faster.  Like I said, they get to league a half hour early, and you can run a full cycle on that thing while they're getting their beer and putting their shoes on. 
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lilpossum1

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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2014, 08:04:15 AM »
I read numerous times that you are supposed to tape the holes in the ball to prevent waterlogging. Why does this not require it?

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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2014, 08:19:25 AM »
How is it cheaper for the customer?  This unit is about the same price as an oven.  Shops should be charging about the same price. 

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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2014, 08:19:50 AM »
Oh, and somebody needs to clean the shop!

Gizmo823

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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2014, 08:52:31 AM »
You can tape the holes, I don't think it's necessary, because the process is a lot shorter than a resurface, which exposes all the holes to water for a lot longer duration.  I've done one of my balls a couple times, and I feel no negative effect on my grips. 

I read numerous times that you are supposed to tape the holes in the ball to prevent waterlogging. Why does this not require it?
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Gizmo823

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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2014, 09:02:55 AM »
It's the time a treatment takes.  Because it extracts the oil rather than bleeding it out, we can do several treatments in the Detox in the time it would take to run just one through an oven. 

Lol yeah I'll get the boss right on that . .

How is it cheaper for the customer?  This unit is about the same price as an oven.  Shops should be charging about the same price.
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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2014, 11:46:47 AM »
Hey Gizmo, what do you use to determine the efficiency improvement and safety improvement?

Also, for those with an oven, how many times do you have to either turn business away because the oven is "in use" (or at least tell a customer his ball is in line)?  I am curious if having a system that takes less time is really a cost savings to the customer.  I am not sure how much business a typical shop makes on these products.

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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2014, 12:30:36 PM »
I read numerous times that you are supposed to tape the holes in the ball to prevent waterlogging. Why does this not require it?

Just a suggestion......whenever ball cleaning ensues, just use old corks from wine bottles to temporarily close the holes. I have collected many sizes, and once you have the right size cork,......it really makes for a tight fit and water tight seal.
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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2014, 01:31:23 PM »
OK thanks for clearing that up about water in the holes

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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2014, 02:38:02 PM »
It's about the same as how you determine oven efficiency, there's really nothing set in stone.  Most of the time with ovens, people just run it until oil stops coming out.  With this, you run it for a half hour, and if the water is really milky looking, you can drain it, add fresh water and turn it back on to check.  If it's not too bad, the water will still be clear enough to see that there's no more oil coming out.  Like the ball in the video, it wasn't too bad.  Oil came out for about 10 or 15 minutes, then visibly you could see that it stopped coming out. 

Safety improvement equals lower temperature, less time.  The more something heats up, the more it will expand, and the more it cools down, the more it will contract.  Lower heat and less time means less expansion, and less temperature differential when it's taken out.  It also means you don't void factory warranties or temperature thresholds, which are set at 125 for some and 140 for some.  What the Detox can accomplish in 30 minutes at 120 degrees would take an oven much longer at a higher temperature.  Overall, is it more effective than an oven?  It's a wash there, because whether by Detox or oven, if you get all the oil out, you get all the oil out . . but the Detox does it much faster and safer.  If you've never had a ball cracked or damaged from oven use, cool, but the other benefits still make it an improvement over an oven.

Like I said before, you can run the Detox for a half hour, blow the grips out, and go throw it 5 minutes after it comes out.  Most oven treatments last around 2 hours, and from what I've heard, the charge is usually 30-35 dollars.  In 2 hours, we can do 4 Detox treatments at 20 dollars apiece.  It's cheaper, can be done while the customer waits, and is even interesting for them to watch and to tell them about.  Then of course it's more profitable for the shop because you can do more treatments in a shorter amount of time. 

Hey Gizmo, what do you use to determine the efficiency improvement and safety improvement?

Also, for those with an oven, how many times do you have to either turn business away because the oven is "in use" (or at least tell a customer his ball is in line)?  I am curious if having a system that takes less time is really a cost savings to the customer.  I am not sure how much business a typical shop makes on these products.
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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2014, 05:23:39 PM »
Gizmo, my question was really based on how often do ovens operate at a normal pro shop.  My pro shop isn't running the oven 24/7.  So that tells me there is a chance that reducing the time required isn't a "gain".  Can you clean 4 balls in the Detox in the amount of time it takes to do 1 ball in an oven?  Perhaps, but if you only have one customer come in to clean a ball every 2 hours, is it really a benefit?  Yes, the customer may not have to drop off the ball, but is it worth it for shops with ovens to convert to Detox, maybe not. 

And your support almost comes off as a commercial.  Nothing against you, but I just wonder if there is a real benefit of the Detox over the traditional oven (which a lot of shops already have).  If a shop has nothing, then this is a very good option.

Like I said before, you can run the Detox for a half hour, blow the grips out, and go throw it 5 minutes after it comes out.  Most oven treatments last around 2 hours, and from what I've heard, the charge is usually 30-35 dollars.  In 2 hours, we can do 4 Detox treatments at 20 dollars apiece.  It's cheaper, can be done while the customer waits, and is even interesting for them to watch and to tell them about.  Then of course it's more profitable for the shop because you can do more treatments in a shorter amount of time. 

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Re: Detox Video
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2014, 06:26:20 PM »
Why would you charge less for something you feel does a better job when the cost of the machine is the same.  The benefit should be for the shop to be able to do more balls, not charge the customer less.

If a guy cuts my lawn for $50 and goes out and buys a wider mower that cost the same as the mower he was using should he charge me less because he found a more efficient way to work?  No, he will charge me the same because the rate for the service has already been determined. 

Don't think like a consumer when you are running the pro shop.