Post by: Doc Hollywood on April 29, 2004, 02:58:40 AM
That is to throw as few strikes as possible and leave singles and multiple pin spares to work on your spare game.
In order to average 200+ it requires stringing strikes and shooting some spares.
How about the opposite averaging high 180 to 190s without stringing strikes.
Would that be a harder thing to do?
You could still be very accurate and practice different lines not playing the exact one to score high but to work on accuracy and spare shooting ability.
I admit on easier conditions it becomes a carry fest but on tough conditions it all comes down to spare shooting.
How many of you would devote to shooting a season like that? You would shoot as few 200 games as possible and if you do shoot below 210 and throw as few doubles or strings. Spend time to shoot good lines and work on the spare shooting.
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Post by: a_ak57 on April 29, 2004, 06:02:17 PM
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Post by: Fatboy8 on April 29, 2004, 06:09:25 PM
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Post by: mumzie on April 29, 2004, 06:40:33 PM
I've devoted MANY seasons to this. Would I do it on purpose? Not during a league where I'm paying a high lineage fee...
One night during the scratch league, an open bowler, using house ball and house shoes, shot 300 during practice.
At that time, I told my teammates that although that was kinda neat, I knew that the guy who shot 300 could never do what I had just done - a clean 197.
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Post by: NaturalBornCheater on April 29, 2004, 08:20:39 PM
The key to developing a strong spare game is to
1) Making your SINGLE PIN SPARES
1a)Learn to FLATTEN YOUR WRIST to shoot corner spares, save the 60 or 70 bucks you WASTE on a spare ball <~~~~This alone raised my average 8 pins from 2002-2003, and 4 from 2003-2004.
2) then work on your multiple pin spares
3) have at least 2 ways of shooting spares.
for instance, I generally shoot right handed corner spares off the left edge. If there's too much oil for the ball to go through, I can go cross-lane without a problem. Some people prefer to go straight at spare, but I like an angle, I feel I can get a better margin of error that way.
Tenpin2002 will tell you that I'm arguably the BEST spare shooter in a league, where I averaged 208, high man was 222, and there were 6 guys between 208 and 222. I'm the one who argues with him, because I'm not satisfied with 95%.
ALWAYS PROUD, NEVER SATISFIED
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Post by: NaturalBornCheater on April 29, 2004, 08:40:45 PM
but again, my apologies, what i should have written was a nice bold "in my opinion"
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Carry the 8. be a good lefty.
Post by: Girlscout on April 29, 2004, 10:37:14 PM
I hear the term flatten the wrist all the time.
What is the difference in up the back, or end over
end, the kind of release that is used for oil.
If we are supposed to have 2 releases any way
and can interchange easily, maybe a spare ball
is not always necessary,at least on a normal house
shot. Now if flatten means to break the wrist back
I would need to take off my Mongoose. Big bother.
So how do you flatten your wrist?
Girlscout
Post by: NaturalBornCheater on April 29, 2004, 11:33:22 PM
basically the "flattening the wrist" is the same shot, but instead of cupping the wrist and lifting, you just release normally, but no cupping, just a pseudo turn of the hand. that's the best i can describe it.
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Post by: And1_headach on April 29, 2004, 11:46:58 PM
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Post by: DanH78 on April 30, 2004, 12:30:58 AM
Post by: Doc Hollywood on April 30, 2004, 01:10:54 AM
Bagging would be shooting 190's and then during a roll off or sweeper averaging 220's
You all are thinking about the greed side of bowling and I am talking about something totally different. I never stated anything to do about bowling for an unfair advantage. That shows the difference of one who can be totally committed to practice or focusing on one thing.
I am not here to bash anyone or to raise a whole new argument on bagging. I was posing a question to you all. Nothing more or less.
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Post by: MSC2471 on April 30, 2004, 02:35:06 AM
Matt
Post by: Pinbuster on April 30, 2004, 08:40:32 AM
Why would you not try your best on every shot? That means the first ball as well as the second.
Use PRACTICE to practice on your spares and spare technique.
Post by: livespive on April 30, 2004, 09:03:05 AM
quote:
well if you're dependant on a glove, a plastic spare ball drilled on center or heck, even opposite lol might be for you...
basically the "flattening the wrist" is the same shot, but instead of cupping the wrist and lifting, you just release normally, but no cupping, just a pseudo turn of the hand. that's the best i can describe it.
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Carry the 8. be a good lefty.
I use a Cobra, and I flatten my wrist with the glove on.
The main thing I do when picking up corner(10 pins) is to
point my thumb at the pin althe way through the shot.
It kills the ball making it roll end over end. I actually
slow my shot down at the 10 pin to accomplish this. I
get more control that way.
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Post by: Ishmael on April 30, 2004, 09:09:54 AM
quote:
That is to throw as few strikes as possible and leave singles and multiple pin spares to work on your spare game.
How do you intend to leave single pins, but not throw strikes? I know I'm not accurate enough to intentionally leave 10 pins or 4 pins at will.
Post by: livespive on April 30, 2004, 09:18:54 AM
quote:quote:
That is to throw as few strikes as possible and leave singles and multiple pin spares to work on your spare game.
How do you intend to leave single pins, but not throw strikes? I know I'm not accurate enough to intentionally leave 10 pins or 4 pins at will.
I think one way that you could do it is by not using your goto ball.
If you are bowling on a med condition, use your dry or oil ball, that
way you will get a few odd leaves.
I would say that you should tell your teammates that you are going to be
doing this, especially if they know that you are a 200 bowler.
I agree with Doc though,
You cannot truely practice your spare durring open bowling, especially if you
use your strike ball as I do on your spares.
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Post by: Rick Wunder on April 30, 2004, 09:29:42 AM
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Post by: DanH78 on April 30, 2004, 09:36:46 AM
And I know of certain houses where you can program what pins you want set up during practice. So if you are struggling to pick up the 8 pin, you can shoot just the eight pin for 3 games.
You can disagree if you want, but I say during league, when scores count, you either throw your best shot or you stay home.
Post by: Girlscout on April 30, 2004, 09:39:00 AM
stay behind the ball palm to the ceiling all the way.
I think if you practice this it will help to make
you a better spare shooter, and not depend on your
spare ball as much, as well as you are learning 2 ways
to release the ball. One of the things I want to work
on this summer in open bowling is a good up the back release
or good forward roll on my strike ball.Try to use one ball.
Girlscout
Post by: livespive on April 30, 2004, 09:45:30 AM
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Why can't you practice your spare game during open bowling? Haven't you ever played low ball? Done the spare zone drill? During college, after we had warmed up at practice we weren't allowed to throw a shot for a strike for at least the first 30 minutes.
And I know of certain houses where you can program what pins you want set up during practice. So if you are struggling to pick up the 8 pin, you can shoot just the eight pin for 3 games.
You can disagree if you want, but I say during league, when scores count, you either throw your best shot or you stay home.
Yeah you can practice that way if you have a house that will do that for you.
IMO the reason for practicing the spares during league is so that you have the
lane condition down. It does no good to practice spare during open bowling when the lanes are dry. Then you bowl in leagues, and the lanes are flooded.
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Post by: DanH78 on April 30, 2004, 09:55:07 AM
Post by: atomized on April 30, 2004, 09:55:48 AM
Well that out of the way, I have found my spare shooting is affect by how well I'm bowling. If hitting the pocket well and timing is good usually make most spares even some of those difficult splits. If my first ball is spraying it, then my spares tend go down. It's seems to me it is better to have a spare system that works for you, then it will help point to flaws in the first ball that is thrown.
Post by: Doc Hollywood on April 30, 2004, 10:03:27 AM
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Why would you not try your best on every shot? That means the first ball as well as the second.
Use PRACTICE to practice on your spares and spare technique.
The object would be to try to do your best on every shot. The object being is to learn how to leave a makeable spare. I'll give you an example. I know for me that when I have the line where the perfect shot is and I line up a board to the right I often can come in high and leave the 4 pin. Or if I just flatten my hand out I can ping 10 pins. If I get in deeper by two boards and play a tight line and come around the ball a little I can leave a bucket.
The main reason for doing this is two fold. one you know what it takes to leave certain pins so if you are ever lost at a new house you can tell yourself I know that if I do X or Y or Z I will be back into the pocket for strikes. Second you really learn to become a great spare shooter.
How many people really know their game so well that they know what to do on the lanes? and how to correct for a quick recovery?
My guess is very few. I know I am going to get some of you stating that this is something that you shouldn't do but then again the ones that are telling me this are either high 200+ bowlers or house bowlers that can't can't average the same anywhere else.
This is a tip to help the lower average bowlers learn to open up their game.
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Post by: seadrive on May 02, 2004, 11:10:30 AM
The way you groove your 10 pin shot is to throw it over and over and over. That's what builds muscle memory, and gives you confidence that you can make the 10 pin under pressure.
Shooting a 10 pin, followed by a strike ball, followed by a 7 pin, followed by a strike ball, followed by a 4 pin, doesn't do the job.
When I bowl in league, my goal is to win, not to work on my game. I wouldn't bowl with anyone who told me he wanted to practice shooting spares during competition.
Maybe he'll decide to shoot the 10 pin on both balls. Wow, a perfect 20!
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Post by: Jeffrevs on May 03, 2004, 07:35:29 AM
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How about the opposite averaging high 180 to 190s without stringing strikes.
You could still be very accurate and practice different lines not playing the exact one to score high but to work on accuracy and spare shooting ability.
To me, it would be bagging....you're trying NOT to string strikes...you're holding back, ...."trying something" .....it's not an honest effort to do "your best" ....IMO
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Good shot, bad shot, good shot, bad shot....COME ON JEFF ! String a couple would ya !