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scottyboy777

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Difference between fire and ice lane conditioner.
« on: October 12, 2017, 06:22:22 PM »
Could someone please explain the difference between fire and ice lane conditioner? Also how to play the lane with each one. Thank you.

 

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Re: Difference between fire and ice lane conditioner.
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 06:44:01 PM »
Fire is used on lane surface (like prolane for example) that are "slicker", or low friction.

Ice is used on lane surfaces with higher friction like SPL's, HPL's, and maybe wood.

I bowl in two houses with SPL lanes (high friction) and in one house, I believe they use ICE or a blend of ICE and Fire from what someone told me??... the pattern holds up well and can be just a tad slick. But the hold area stays forever, well for first and second shift.

The other house I bowl, I don't know what they are using, but the pattern doesn't hold up that long and hold area isn't always there. They could be using a totally different conditioner.

But both houses use kegel machines and are SPL lanes
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Re: Difference between fire and ice lane conditioner.
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 06:59:35 PM »
I don't think it matters much what conditioner they are using. Whatever the pattern is, let your ball tell you what you need to do. I never assume I'm going to play the same way every week. I wait till I bowl. but nowadays with those high tech lane machines, it's getting to be that way it seems.

I honestly don't know for sure what these two houses uses for dressing their lanes. What I look for is where the pattern ends, or where my ball starts to read the lanes and the hook spot.

House number 1, I stay straighter playing the track ALL NIGHT, barely even moving after the first game. Or not even moving lol.... just so easy to the pocket.

House number 2, it's a totally different animal. I'll start standing on 20 to 24 for example, and end up on 42. some times just in front of the ball return.

I wouldn't concern myself of the oil they use, just the length and volume of the pattern is all that is needed.

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Re: Difference between fire and ice lane conditioner.
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 07:41:45 PM »
Spend some time on Kegel's website.  Everything you want to know and more about lane conditioners can be found.

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Re: Difference between fire and ice lane conditioner.
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2017, 10:18:28 AM »

I wouldn't concern myself of the oil they use, just the length and volume of the pattern is all that is needed.



Same length, same volume of oil, and same pattern shape; one lane using Fire, and the same lane then re-oiled with Ice, plays very different. The type of oil used matters.

Also, different oils transition differently, even with everything else being the same.

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Re: Difference between fire and ice lane conditioner.
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2017, 10:41:55 AM »

I wouldn't concern myself of the oil they use, just the length and volume of the pattern is all that is needed.



Same length, same volume of oil, and same pattern shape; one lane using Fire, and the same lane then re-oiled with Ice, plays very different. The type of oil used matters.

Also, different oils transition differently, even with everything else being the same.



really?! you think 90% of league bowlers know the oil type being used. If it transitions the be ahead of it. I'll go ask 112 members of league bowlers tonight if they know what AMF is using... and I'll ask my second shift league too and see if they know.

Too damn technical. Just bowl and see what your ball does going down lane and where the ball ends up at the pin deck.
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Re: Difference between fire and ice lane conditioner.
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2017, 10:46:29 AM »

really?! you think 90% of league bowlers know the oil type being used. If it transitions the be ahead of it. I'll go ask 112 members of league bowlers tonight if they know what AMF is using... and I'll ask my second shift league too and see if they know.

Too damn technical. Just bowl and see what your ball does going down lane and where the ball ends up at the pin deck.

League bowlers knowing what oil is being used and the original OP asking about the differences of Fire and Ice are two VERY different things. Telling the OP not to concern himself with what the oil is, is bad advise, period, seeming as though he is trying to educate himself.
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Re: Difference between fire and ice lane conditioner.
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2017, 08:59:46 PM »
I can see both sides of this discussion.
I am one who wants to know.
But sometimes, a preconceived notion of what the lanes are supposed to do will hurt you.
For ME, I'm much better off letting my eyes tell me what to do.
The different oils have some tendencies that I have learned to deal with though.

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Re: Difference between fire and ice lane conditioner.
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2017, 10:34:51 PM »
Watched my son bowl on both for several tournaments and the league he was in last year used ice.

Ice lasts longer and seems to tend to flow during play. As the line broke down and he moved left, if he wanted, he could go back to his original line after about two moves left. The oil would seem to flow/push back to allow that type of thing. I had several other folks who bowled in that house tell me the same thing.