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Supermo

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Highest Polish Rating
« on: May 16, 2009, 11:34:29 PM »
Thank you all who helped me with my (Balls For dry wooden lanes)still looking at the ball suggestions you gave me.
As the only ball i currently have for dry lanes a Blue Vibe pin 2ins above bridge i want to polish this up as high as possible to get the greatest length out of it. I see many different polish grades applied to balls from manufactures but i'm sure you have your own ideas what to put on a ball and what polish to use to get that extra bit of length for certain dry lane conditions. What i think i'm looking for is a glass like finish with a polish that doesn't take any oil in. All suggestions would be appreciated.
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Re: Highest Polish Rating
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2009, 08:02:01 AM »
4000 Abralon with something like Ebonite Extender polish, or valentino's UFO would be a good shiny finish
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Re: Highest Polish Rating
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009, 08:22:33 AM »
Supermo,

1. The Blue Vibe is hardly what one might term a dry lanes ball. It only handles medium-light oil, because its stock surface is 4000 grit Abralon PLUS a high gloss polish. It does not by any stretch of the imagination have a weak coverstock and its core has a only a medium RG and differential. Most true dry lanes balls have high RG cores with a very low differential.

2. To force the BV to handle less than its designed oil amount, I'd suggest 3 things:
a. A very weak drilling like 5.5" - 6" pin to PAP.
b. A very fine surface. The only thing I know of finer than the stock 4000 grit Abralon pad is the white Trizact pad. It is in the range of 6000 - 8000 grit Abralon.
c. Use a polish with a slip agent. This type of polish reduces the overall hook and backend of a ball. Examples are Valentino's UFO, Powerhouse's Delayed Reaction and Neo-Tac's Control-It.

In the end I'd really suggest getting a ball to handle true dry lanes, one with a high RG and a low differential and/or a true weak coverstock.
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Moon57

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Re: Highest Polish Rating
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 09:52:02 AM »
The finest polish I've used is a product I picked up at a NAPA store called Meguiars Scratch X. This polish works on the principal of diminishing abrasives. I don't know what grit it starts out at but the grit gradually breaks down until it's gone. You can make a ball look like a glass marble with this stuff. Remember tho that the ball may go longer polished but when it hits the dry it will really take off, probably be uncontrollable.
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Re: Highest Polish Rating
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2009, 05:36:47 AM »
Second that - be careful what polish or rubbing compound you use. With soem compounds like 3M's Trizact stuff, you get a very smooth and glossy surface, but it is tacky as hell and creates a lot of friction once the ball has left the oil. I'd suggest a high base grit with a true polish, as Charlest suggests.

As a side nore, I made good experience with Lanemaster's polish to create some extra length. Applied it on my Igniter on a 2.000 grit Abralon base, and this gives me very good length (a bit more than OOB or with Brunswick's High Gloss polish) and a sharp breakpoint, still with a good controllability. The finish just does not last as long as a compound surface, though, the polish wears off rather quickly.
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Re: Highest Polish Rating
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2009, 09:10:26 AM »
Abralon ratings are 2 x more than sand paper ratings meaning a 400 abralon is actually a 2000 sand paper. There are much high grades of paper than 2000, I have 4000 at home which would be 8000 Abralon. Of course you can get finer grades as well.

I also use an auto body polish called Finisse II (spelling: pronouced fin-ess). 4000 wet sanded and this auto body polish makes the ball look like a new marble.

Any thin film of oil causes the ball to go straight until it finds friction (no oil). When it does it hooks immediately depending on release.
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Re: Highest Polish Rating
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2009, 09:17:05 AM »
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I also use an auto body polish called Finisse II (spelling: pronouced fin-ess). 4000 wet sanded and this auto body polish makes the ball look like a new marble.

Any thin film of oil causes the ball to go straight until it finds friction (no oil). When it does it hooks immediately depending on release.


That's probably the 3M Trizact stuff (3M #50077) I mentioned? Great stuff, but IMHO not the right material for dry lanes and added length. Balls I prepared with it get LOTS of traction on dry ground - but the control at the breakpoint is very good, though.
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Supermo

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Re: Highest Polish Rating
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2009, 05:36:34 PM »
Great information but do bowlers actually use Auto polish for balls??
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Re: Highest Polish Rating
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2009, 06:07:18 PM »
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Great information but do bowlers actually use Auto polish for balls??
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Re: Highest Polish Rating
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2009, 06:53:03 PM »
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Abralon ratings are 2 x more than sand paper ratings meaning a 400 abralon is actually a 2000 sand paper. There are much high grades of paper than 2000, I have 4000 at home which would be 8000 Abralon. Of course you can get finer grades as well.


Just so we don't get folks mixed up, I think you meant 4000 Abralon, not 400 Abralon. is equivalent to 2000 wet/dry paper.  --  JohnP
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Re: Highest Polish Rating
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2009, 07:05:34 PM »
If you still in experimentation mode with surfaces, you can always purchase a 1oz. bottle of UFO for $1.49 It's enough for two applications, three if you really try.

http://www.valentinobowling.com/shoppingcart/products.php?product=1oz.-UFO-Trial-bottle

UFO applies a high gloss for length and reduces backend snap, it's great for short sport conditions and lanes that are nice and toasty.

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Re: Highest Polish Rating
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2009, 02:39:18 AM »
WOW!! that lil 1oz bottle will only do 2 apps????  ive gotten atleast 5 outa mine....
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dizzyfugu

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Re: Highest Polish Rating
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2009, 02:46:16 AM »
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Great information but do bowlers actually use Auto polish for balls


Well, the 3M stuff is not a polish. It is a rubbing compound that contains abrasives and a carrier fluid, and it is intended to smooth out very fine sanding lines (e. g. on car bodies, but also on primer etc.) in the 2.000-4.000 grit range on soft material/surfaces. While the result is a VERY high gloss and immaculate shine, almost mirror-like, the surface itself is clean - no wax etc. is left. Works wonders on bowling balls, a hot tip for experiments

besides, I use "real" car polish (with wax) on my polyester ball, just to promote skid and for frequent surface maintenance. Wears off quickly, but is a cheap alternative on this kind of material instead of "wasting" polish etc. for reactive ball surfaces.
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Re: Highest Polish Rating
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2009, 03:13:16 AM »
I say 2, just to cover all the bases. It doesn't take too much polish, but I tend to be heavy handed when applying products.

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