Do certified coaches get irked by non certified Joe coaching others at the center?

I'm not going to lie, though I am not a cert coach, I think I know a little more than these paper coaches. Not saying all are not up to par, I'm just stating my opinion and many will agree with me. There are many of you who are better coaches than some of these cert ones.

I asked this question because one day several years ago, I was working with a coach and that coach asked me who have I seen in the past. Well, I mentioned some names and that coach was a little irked. Also, there's a local cert coach in one of the bowling centers I go to to help some bowlers. Well, that coach sends this vibe towards me like I was invading his property. In fact, two or three bowlers have seen this coach and sought me after seeing him. I understand he needs to make money, but these bowlers call me and I meet them where they want to. Even if it's at his house to bowl.

Figjam:
I've learned from some of the great coaches, some are HOF/legends in the sport, and some "paperless" coaches who just have the eye for the game - also famus. (thanks to all of them) I used my experience from working with these coaches to help those who asked me for help - for free of course, they donate whatever, like a NIB. (thanks again WHO) I may not have reached my goal of 215-225 ave, but I'm happy for those that I've helped did so. They started at 190'ish and now are 215 to 224 average. Also, I get a lot of joy from newbies who start at 160 and finish the season 10 to 20 sticks more. I asked not to get paid, because many have helped me over the years and it's my little way of giving back. (I have coaching/teaching experience from other sports)

Their certification does not mean much.  Who is certifying them for what? 

If you're talking basics and getting kids off on the right foot, that's waaay different than being a coach.  That being said, nobody said getting certified was a bad thing, just generally not as good as you may think.  You can pull someone off the street who knows nothing about bowling that can pass the Bronze cert and be a coach.  Does that mean they know what they're doing?  No.  Even with kids.  There are SEVERAL bronze certified guys trying to teach kids here and they are actively taking them backwards.  A lot of guys will take the test, put down the answers asked for, even if they disagree, and then go back to teaching the way they want to teach, only now they're 'certified.' 

Another problem is there just isn't a "unified approach."  People learn things different ways.  You can't teach one person the same way you teach another person.  Just because you know a lot of techniques and methods and drills doesn't mean you know how to COACH.  The certification is a small part of the process.  A lot of people also think it isn't worth the price they're asking.  Also a lot of politics involved in getting the Gold, it's more of a popularity contest. 

Nobody ever said you couldn't teach bowling.  There aren't a certain set of credentials required, BUT given people's vast collective experience with guys who have bronze certs, just that alone is certainly not going to impress or convince anyone.  You might as well say you work in a pro shop, it's about the same thing.  Just because you work in a pro shop and can put holes in a ball doesn't mean you have a clue about being an operator . .

Lol a coach . . but when someone says coach, at least the first definition that comes to my mind isn't "helping kids learn the basics."  The word has a pretty broad definition, I realize that, but if someone said pro shop operator, I wouldn't imagine a guy in the back who just does the ordering and manages inventory . .

Well then of course you'd make sure someone doesn't screw up a knee or a back or an elbow . .

A coach kind of has to go into the specifics of each individual, and that's the point I'm getting at.  There are too many guys waving their bronze certification around trying to smash everybody they coach into the same mold.  "Gotta do it exactly like this, like this book says, and like so and so 20 years ago said."  I'm not saying YOU do that, I'm just explaining why by and large certifications aren't held in the highest regard.  Again, absolutely nothing wrong with getting them, but if you say you have USBC coaching certifications, you're going to get mixed responses.  You wondered why people here were so down on them and so negative, just explaining.  But like I said earlier, you've got a lot of good ol boys getting their certs, completely ignoring what they're taught in favor of what they already think or believe just so they can puff their chests out more and shut down people who challenge them on anything.  If you go onto silver or gold, that's a different story, but I'd at least say don't stop at the bronze if you're going to do it. 

Quote from: Gizmo823 on June 02, 2014, 10:36:06 AM

Another problem is there just isn't a "unified approach."  People learn things different ways.

Of course people learn things different ways! The unified approach is making sure to cover the Fundamentals. Quit going into the specifics of every individual.

Yeap.  Sounds like you got the right idea, now it's just a ton of learning and listening . . it's a fun process that never really stops. 

Okay. Gizmo.  I get it. As I stated earlier, I agree with you, not everyone coming out of these classes are coaching material. And I will add based on your last example: Anyone using their certification to puff their chest and argue is not someone thinking in the best interest of this Sport. They are thinking in the best interest of themselves. 

A good coach listens first.  You have to be open minded.

Thanks for encouragement. I plan to increase my skills and abilities. I not sure I am ready to go beyond Bronze Level in the immediate future. I kind of like getting my head wrapped around what I just learned in a course, then applying it in the real world for a while. I got a long way to go.
 
It's great we can argue and keep this topic from going down hill.

Be ready, I going to have some layout questions in the future.