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Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« on: September 16, 2008, 07:42:13 AM »
In my opinion - easy lane conditions and ball technology has not helped that many bowlers.

As a percentage, I'd venture that 85% of the bowlers in a house average under 200.  Now in a high end league, that number is probably reversed.

And as a percentage, easy lane conditions and ball technology has only helped bowlers who probably averaged 185 and above before those changes.

That is less than 20% of the national bowling population.  

But yet we complain that bowling is too easy.  Why?

The majority of bowlers who bowl still are in awe of a 300.  Why?  They don't have one and never will.  

The majority of bowlers cannot take advantage of a wall.

But yet, the posters on this forum all complain that too many bowlers have it too easy.  Really?  80% of the people who bowl cannot take advantage of the "easy" conditions.

What is the problem?  Why do the high average bowlers feel they should make it harder?  

Why do the 20% feel that they should be given first priority over the 80% who cannot take advantage of the conditions they want to made harder.  Are you that conceited?

 

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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2008, 03:48:34 PM »
Well, here's an example.  So far in just three weeks, my Tuesday league has seen at least three 300s, a couple 290somethings, an 812 (thanks to yours truly), a 791, and maybe one other big score I'm missing.  And basically all of these scores are by different bowlers.  They're all mostly higher average bowlers (including one of those 300s being by Mike Wolfe), but that's still a lot of honor scores and near misses for just three weeks in that one league.  We had that many honor scores in an entire season in a tough house in one of my other leagues last year!

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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2008, 03:58:46 PM »
I understand your example.  Those bowlers are still a very small minority.

Back in the 70's I'd guess that maybe 2% of the sanctioned bowlers shot a 300 game in one year.  Now, maybe it is 10-15%.

That's only a 8-13% increase.  

If there are 1 million sanctioned bowlers (hypothetical).

850,000 bowlers will not shoot a 300 game this year.

Yes, 130,000 (13% max) will shoot one this year that would not have under harder conditions.

The conditions only help 10% of the bowlers.  That is a very small percentage.

My question is: why is that too much?  At least that's the vibe I get reading posts on this board.

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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2008, 04:07:04 PM »
Too add to that, a bowler can bowl for 1 year or maybe 2 and average 200.  It took bowlers 5-10 years to reach that benchmark and some still never made it.  Way better carry with newer balls and the hold in the middle and grip on the edges with the wall of china shot, people don't need to work on accuracy or spares.  Have you seen these "bowlers" when conditions are tougher and carry isn't there?  They bowl 450 series!
And as for 85% of these bowlers never achieving an honor score, thats pretty true because they don't put in the extra time and effort to get better.  They are your typical 1 league bowlers who do it for fun.

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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2008, 04:53:00 PM »
And they are the clear majority of bowlers.  Why should the majority of bowlers be punished by the wishes of the few?

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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2008, 05:22:31 PM »
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The majority of bowlers who bowl still are in awe of a 300. Why? They don't have one and never will.

The majority of bowlers cannot take advantage of a wall.


Let me get this straight...the majority of bowlers are under 200 AND have no clue on how to take advantage of the wall, correct?  So the ONLY people benefitting from the "wall" are the 200+ average players.

By your account then, would making the condition any tougher REALLY affect the majority?  If they cannot take advantage of the wall, would they even notice if the wall disappeared?

If only 15% of bowlers benefit from the wall, then only 15% would suffer if the wall went away.

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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2008, 09:01:07 PM »
technology has to have played a part in bowling scores and helping the bowler. it allows them more room for error. with easy lane conditions and technology in balls most can throw good games with ease.

how else do you explain the rapid number of honor scores. why do you think usbc had to only allow 1 honor score ring and plaque a year for bowlers?

I have seen people that other than a house shot couldnt average 170 but have shot 300 and even possibly 800.


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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2008, 10:55:22 AM »
Technology - ball coverstock innovations and lane dressing techniques - have changed the game from a game of accuracy to a game of power.  In the day, we had bowlers that could crank the ball just as much as today's players.  But the big majority of them averaged in the 170's because they had no idea where the ball was going.  They still don't, but now the lane brings the ball back to the pocket and they average 210+.  --  JohnP

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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2008, 11:15:07 AM »
I think all the people that complain about all the high scoring and great wall of china shots need to suck it up or just quite the game entirely. I am sick and tired of hearing about too many high scores and that lanes are too easy. Welcome to the year 2008. Look at how all the other "professional" sports have changed since the 1960's &n 70's. If you have a problem with high scores then you need to re-evaluate why you even bowl. If you dont have fun bowlinng big scores then there is something wrong with you. I think most of the problem is these people on here are sore losers.....that is them losing to big scores because they cant bowl big scores to compete. As i said before, suck it up. There are worse things in life.
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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2008, 11:26:48 AM »
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I think all the people that complain about all the high scoring and great wall of china shots need to suck it up or just quite the game entirely. I am sick and tired of hearing about too many high scores and that lanes are too easy. Welcome to the year 2008. Look at how all the other "professional" sports have changed since the 1960's &n 70's. If you have a problem with high scores then you need to re-evaluate why you even bowl. If you dont have fun bowling big scores then there is something wrong with you. I think most of the problem is these people on here are sore losers.....that is them losing to big scores because they cant bowl big scores to compete. As i said before, suck it up. There are worse things in life.
 


Just as I thought, YOU my friend ARE one of these bowlers benefiting from ball technology and great wall of china shots.

Oh and boy, I can hold my own against the best of them.  In my scratch league I usually only lose to a bowler that is a TRUE 200+ bowler on any condition. I win 75% of my matches.  I especially think its great when the conditions are NOT typical house shots and I wipe the floor up with inflated false 200 average bowlers like you who end up shooting 450 series!

You obviously don't care about the integrity of the game/sport.

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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2008, 11:35:15 AM »
Just for your information (and i'm not trying to be a jerk here), i bowl in a handicap and scratch league where I too win 70% of my matches. Now, this is not your typical scratch league. It is a traveling scratch league. There are 5 different houses, each with different lane surfaces and approaches and each with a different shot. Now, i am not saying that these are pba or tournamnet shots, but challenging nonetheless. And I do care about the integrity of the sport, I support all the PBA televised matches and I also help out the youth at my home center. I will leave the challenging tournamnts to the pro's and to the people like yourself that have the money to continously bowl tournamnts every wek to improve their game.
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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2008, 12:02:33 PM »
I think that for the people who are complaining about the wall shots and higher scores should then compete in a sport shot league or pba experience league. This will then seperate the cry babies from the people who are just out for a good time.
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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2008, 12:15:14 PM »
First off, lets ALL admit one thing, bowling has changed dramatically over the last 15 years, moreso than it had changed in the previous 100 years, and it was all due to technological advancements of one type or another.

  Now, lets ALL admit something else.  Whenever change happens, it always benefits one group more than another.  The word change itsself means going from one state to another, and that is exactly what bowling has done.  It has gone from a game/sport of accuracy and finesse to a game of power and angle.

  I, for one, don't like the change.  I was really good at the accuracy and finesse game with enough release strength to get the job done and didn't NEED anymore help.  I was the first man/person at our house to average over 200 for a full season, did that with a yellow dot, and ended the year at 202. People thought I should go pro, and I could have because I was really good at what the game took at that time.

  HOWEVER, change is incessant. It is going to come, whether we like it or not guys. The change that happened in this game/sport took away a lot of my advantage.  Think of bowlings advancements like this:

  A skilled fisherman can catch a 10lb fish while using 5lb test strength line because he knows how and uses the proper technique to do so. It is a challenge for himself to be able to do so.  Bowling equipment used to be equivalent to the 5lb test strength line, and those who worked and developed the proper techniques could get the job done with no need for improved equipment.

  Now, however, bowling equipment would equate to 50lb test strength line, and, who can't catch a 10lb fish with 50lb line?  Much less NEED for proper techniques, just grab the pole and reel as hard as you can!  The equipment available today lets the newer generations of bowlers do just that.  Damn the technique and finesse, just go for it all out.

  There will ALWAYS be two sides of the argument and, sadly, there is now a whole generation of bowlers out there who NEVER EVEN HEARD OF USING PLASTIC, URETHANE, or RUBBER, except for spare balls.  And why should they. I would rather go home and eat my 10lb fish than go hungry and talk about the one that got away because I wanted to "challenge" my skills, wouldn't you?

  I'm 48 yrs old.  In most every other aspect of my life, I have embraced technological advance.  My family had an 18" b&w t.v. for years when I was a kid. Would you rather watch the game on an 18" b&w t.v. or on a 42" plasma with HD?

  Would you rather travel on vacation in a 1963 Ford Falcon with 4/60 air conditioning or what you drive now?  

  Would you rather listen to scratchy 33/45/78 rpm records while at home or be able to listen to crystal clear music anywhere you go, anytime you want?

  Technology is here to stay, like it or not ( and I don't like bowlings new tech ), it isn't going away.

  I would also like to say to the younger guys, don't be so hostile.  The older guys ( like me ) arent trying to take away anything from you, we are just nostalgic for a time when bowling was a much more competitive sport, when there were many aspects of the game that had to be LEARNED, skills had to be honed and refined, and there was a hierarchy that one strove to become a member of by attaining that elusive 200 average.  Remember, it took a lot of the older guys here 10 yrs or longer to achieve a 200 average because we were all fishing for it with 5 lb test line.

  We really don't hate on you younger guys, we just wish you could earn a respect for us by having to go through what many of us did, just to get where you got in a couple of seasons, that's all.

  At least I THINK that's all.
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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2008, 12:23:32 PM »
I am sorry if what I said Sounded hostile. It just drives me nutts when some guys are always talking about cake shots and the like. It took me 3 years to average over 200 and I worked very hard on that with several people and I am proud that I now average over 200. I have all the respect in the world for the more experianced (older if you will) bowlers. Those are the guys that got me where I am today. In conclusion, I would like to thank all of those older guys who had just enough patience to get me where I am now.
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Re: Do technology advances really help that many bowlers?
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2008, 12:46:34 PM »
But with a little bit of work it is alot easier to get to a 200 average or a 300 game, hell look back a bit the scores being shot routinly in leagues were unheard of 20 years ago in league. I read in a bowling magazine that 27,000 300 games were shot in 06 that is a joke it can't be that easy. We complain that it is to easy because the equipment doesn't always favor the better bowler. Bowlers that can't take advantage of the wall should WORK at it! Remeber this is a SPORT and a SPORT should be Difficult so if people struggle who cares because they should struggle, I struggle from time to time, you struggle from time to time, PBA Pros struggle from time to time because that is the nature of the SPORT!

Hight average bowlers want it to be harder because they WORK at the SPORT and want a Challenge. You know it gets really boring going up their every week on the same shot with a mark 7 boards wide and shoot 7+ and the only thing that keeps you from 8+ is carry. And carry contests suck I say we should bowl like men and have a tough pattern that makes everyone work not a girls shot and that only makes a few people work at.
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