Author Topic: Do these words about SOB still hold true? (Read 9433 times)

Mighty Fish · « **on:** July 04, 2011, 09:31:55 PM »

The so-called System of Bowling was unveiled 20 years ago, and I commented on its progress in a column six years later.

Don't the words expressed in that 1997 column still ring true today?

http://www.examiner.com/bowling-in-st-pe...ieve-objectives

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 19, 2011, 11:22:47 AM »

Ohh it is my fault for not owning all of the companies biggest hooking bowling balls? Wow now I feel guilty since the two biggest hooking balls I own are the Ulti-max and Wicked Siege. Those are the biggest hooking balls on the market right? So because of that EBI and other are able to continue to flood the market with everything they make? I can't wait to not buy more of them to not be able to use where I bowl.

JLS....I mean sunboy stick to what you know best and that is nothing.

"I am done with this topic. Nothing to see here. There never was."

Read it, learn it, live it.

Be good, or be good at it.

Mighty Fish · « **Reply #47 on:** July 20, 2011, 03:19:45 PM »

Dear Sunshine n Lollipops:

You have a wonderful way of attempting to win a "forum debate" -- with name-calling and insults as your strong suit.

In just one paragraph, you called me "a washed-up hack writer" ... you cite my "antiquated views" ... you call me "an old fossil" and "an intolerable pest."

I will have to admit that you will always win a name-calling debate with me because I have more respect for fellow forum posters than to use such tactics. Have a good evening.

Sunshine n Lollipops · « **Reply #48 on:** July 20, 2011, 06:06:05 PM »

Golly gee whillikers, Fishwrap. I only call them like I see them. Have a nice life. I know I will with you on my ignore list so I don't have to read your "thought provoking" prose anymore. I suppose if you deny getting banned from bowl.com enough, you might be able to convince people. But anybody who was over there on the forums knows the truth, don't they Billy?

Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.

Inverted 1 · « **Reply #49 on:** July 21, 2011, 07:49:29 AM »

You must have a miserable life..

Rather that hate on you, I'll forgive you and realise that you are just a pathetic human being with noithing better to do that spread your BS all over the forum here..

Carry on loser...

Sunshine n Lollipops wrote on 7/20/2011 6:06 PM:
Golly gee whillikers, Fishwrap. I only call them like I see them. Have a nice life. I know I will with you on my ignore list so I don't have to read your "thought provoking" prose anymore. I suppose if you deny getting banned from bowl.com enough, you might be able to convince people. But anybody who was over there on the forums knows the truth, don't they Billy?

Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #50 on:** July 21, 2011, 09:39:22 AM »

C'mon guys.

Let's not let S&L's dripping sarcasm take this thread over and derail an otherwise interesting topic about what has actually happened with regards to a once highly touted "System of Bowling".

What really happened to it? Did it just fade into the background, or was it actively "killed" by those whose interests weren't served, like equipment manufacturers?

It's obvious that the "System of Bowling" failed miserably. Does anybody know how, or why?

Sunshine n Lollipops · « **Reply #51 on:** July 21, 2011, 12:01:35 PM »

It faded into the woodwork and nobody cares anymore. What is so hard to understand about that. Get left, throw right, rev it up, buy the latest hook in a box, change balls NOT hand position or line. It's never going back. Simple.

P..S to Schitzoid. I don't ever recall asking for your forgiveness. You are in no position to offer it or give it. Now go rip off some young newlyweds by selling them some Universal life (same as whole, just a sweeter name).

Juggernaut wrote on 7/21/2011 9:39 AM:
C'mon guys.

Let's not let S&L's dripping sarcasm take this thread over and derail an otherwise interesting topic about what has actually happened with regards to a once highly touted "System of Bowling".

What really happened to it? Did it just fade into the background, or was it actively "killed" by those whose interests weren't served, like equipment manufacturers?

It's obvious that the "System of Bowling" failed miserably. Does anybody know how, or why?
just

Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.

Mighty Fish · « **Reply #52 on:** July 21, 2011, 01:09:38 PM »

Dear Sunshine n Lollipops:

Regarding the System of Bowling, you say (and I quote): It faded into the woodwork and nobody cares anymore.

I do have to admit that it seems that USBC doesn't care anymore ... and in a few short years, USBC may not even BE AROUND to care anymore.

On Further Review · « **Reply #53 on:** July 21, 2011, 01:13:12 PM »

S&L, I don't think that too many people will even care if USBC lasts much longer.

If Obamacare is so great why are so many waivers being asked for and given?

Sunshine n Lollipops · « **Reply #54 on:** July 21, 2011, 03:21:39 PM »

I would say that most people wont notice. They take rules, regulations, equipment specs for granted. Yes, as much as certain people bitch about USBC, they do provide a service. An important service. There will always be a governing body. I really doubt USBC is going anywhere. We must remember that it is only the vocal minority that are doing all the complaining. If you looked at the the numbers, the people complaning probably make up a whole 2-3% of all sanctioned bowlers. Imagine the griping if they got their wish and the BPAA became the governing body. Think they'd be happy with the fox guarding the hen house.

This kind of griping is just so much white noise. So irrelevant and in the end totally useless.

On Further Review wrote on 7/21/2011 1:13 PM:
S&L, I don't think that too many people will even care if USBC lasts much longer.

If Obamacare is so great why are so many waivers being asked for and given?

Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.

Dogtown · « **Reply #55 on:** July 22, 2011, 09:42:42 AM »

Sunshine, I have read through this entire thread and a few things standout. The first thing that comes across to me is that you are a young bowler. I could be very wrong, but Fish and Kidlost and several others remember and reference things from years ago. They remember how the game was. You...not so much. The other thing that comes across is that you are the type of bowler who likes to "shut-up and bowl". What I mean is that you're not here to talk about the rules and specs and the politics of what goes on at USBC. You want to bowl. Nothing wrong with any of that, so don't take me wrong even if my assumptions are wrong.

I think the concern for this entire post is over the erosion of the integrity of the game. I serve on our local board, so I have personally seen what has happened to our membership as well at USBC membership. I have also seen and been a part of what USBC is trying to do a national level. So you will have trust that I have a little insight on this topic.

You are correct when you say it is only the minority that is complaining. But that is true with the majority of issues in life and politics, but it doesn't mean they are wrong or don't have legitimate concerns.

Where this affects you and other bowlers, is when people feel the integrity of the game is lost (in other words, it's too easy, not competitive, whatever) then they leave the game. Leagues lose teams, tournaments have low participation and proprietors lose money. We're seeing it happen now. Don't get me wrong, it's not been a mass exit, but it has been steady of the last several years. Several factors contribute to that, but the intergrity of the game is one.

The next question is what is the solution? That is what we should be concerned with. Fish was just pointing out what was tried several years ago and how it didn't stand the test of time. But we can't turn a blind eye to it. Pandora's Box has been open (someone else said that) & you can't go back. But you might be able to pull the reigns back a little.

What is your opinion, Sunshine, with the current state of bowling? Disregard all the other things that have been said in this thread. Do you think it is on the right track for the future? Do you have concerns? I would be curious to know.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #56 on:** July 22, 2011, 10:27:10 AM »

Dogtown,

Sunshine isn't really a bad guy, just a very opinionated one, gifted with a sharp sarcasm. While he disagrees with many/most here, he does give you his honest opinions. I may not agree with them, but I respect the fact that he is wide open about things, its just his presentation that raises my ire at times.

The only bone I have to pick with him is, he does seem a bit short sighted about the overall picture of bowling and its state of wellbeing. He seems to think this is the natural progression of things and that bowling just naturally turned into what it is today. He also thinks nothing will, should, or CAN, be done to change any of that, so we may as well get used to it, STFU, and just go bowl.

Others of us have a deeper concern. Sunshine may be right, and perhaps nothing CAN be done, but that doesn't keep us from voicing both our opinions and our concern. Perhaps, if there are enough people who do so, there may be some type of either resolution or compromise reached.

Sunshine n Lollipops · « **Reply #57 on:** July 22, 2011, 03:17:33 PM »

Thanks for the kind words, Juggsy. I am 54 years old. I have seen all the changes in bowling. I am indeed a "shut up and bowl" guy. I am far from an old, old wise sage sitting on top of a mountain but I am old enough to realize that time marches on and so does progress and it can't be stopped. Look at football. I doubt that somebody who played pro football in the 40's would even recognize the game. The same is with bowling. It is evolving. But, despite all the bellyaching, averaging 200+ is still an achievement that the majority of bowlers cannot attain, let alone a 300 or 800.

Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.

Mighty Fish · « **Reply #58 on:** July 22, 2011, 06:32:24 PM »

Dear Sunshine n Lollipops:

Not too long ago, you posted the following (and I quote you): I am done with this topic. Nothing to see here. There never was.

If so, why have you posted a half-dozen times in this thread since then? And despite all of your comments (and concerns and complaints), you still haven't stated YOUR opinion as to whether the System of Bowling is working (as it was intended to do) 20 years after its adoption.

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #59 on:** July 22, 2011, 07:42:07 PM »

I do agree with sunboy. I feel this for PBA post and now see the short sidedness with the USBC. I'm almost half the age of sunny so I'm not as bitter yet but do agree. At this point there is no reason to care. 900s will continue to grow at a sick rate. USBC will continue to sell out to anyone willing to pay. The integrity falls down to individuals. Which means there is very little.

Kind of like the static weight rules USBC is still working on. There appears to be two times your bowling ball will be checked for static weights. Bowling at nationals and PBA events. So besides that this rule has no point other then to keep some honest people honest. Centers are certified because two lanes meet USBC guidelines, all the other lanes are actually exempt if you think about it. The ones that check that don't meet USBC guidlines don't have to be fixed. They are left as is and on to the next pair till two lanes are certified.

The point. Why care? Besides bowlers, no one else does. Even USBC doesn't. Sunshine you are correct. Just bowl because everything else truly does/will not matter.

Be good, or be good at it.

Edited by kidlost2000 on 7/23/2011 at 5:43 AM

Sunshine n Lollipops · « **Reply #60 on:** July 23, 2011, 08:36:17 AM »

See, kid, here's the deal. You're last line about just "bowl because nothing else matters" is the proper approach. You see, none of us on here besides the pro shop owner, makes his living at bowling. It is a recreational activity! Just like turning wrenches on my Camaro, or fishing, or going frog hunting with my two neices, bowling reduces stress. I don't think about national debts, my boss, my mortgage, etc. I bowl to get together with my buddies, have a great time for two and half hours, and do the best I can within my skill levels and the rules and regulations that are put in place. All this stuff is just utter nonsense. You guys aint pros and you are letting a hobby which is supposed to be fun turn into something that is not so much fun.

Guys like MightyFishwrap are guys that the game's passed by and they don't like it. Guys like Fishwrap hate that a modern day bowler like Sonnenfeld got the first sanctioned 900 and not Allison. I would be in awe of watching somebody bowl a 900. To carry 36 strikes in a row is an unbelievable combination of skill and luck. I've thrown 27 in a row so know what if feels like to be in that zone, where everything comes together and the bowling gods don't throw a solid 8 pin or swishing 7 leave at you. Guys like Fishwrap get caught up in the exact wording of bowling rules and legislation and not bowling itself. Had a guy like Fishwrap destroy a league that had been around for 15 years because he would interpret and re-interpret the rules weekly, calling for a clarification on a rule. People get tired of it.

So, yeah, "Shut up and bowl because the rest just doesn't matter" is a damn good mantra to go by. Everybody you are bowling against is using the same equipment, the same lanes, the same lane oil, the same pattern, and the same rules. May the better man win. And not bitch about it when he loses.

kidlost2000 wrote on 7/22/2011 7:42 PM:
I do agree with sunboy. I feel this for PBA post and now see the short sidedness with the USBC. I'm almost half the age of sunny so I'm not as bitter yet but do agree. At this point there is no reason to care. 900s will continue to grow at a sick rate. USBC will continue to sell out to anyone willing to pay. The integrity falls down to individuals. Which means there is very little.

Kind of like the static weight rules USBC is still working on. There appears to be two times your bowling ball will be checked for static weights. Bowling at nationals and PBA events. So besides that this rule has no point other then to keep some honest people honest. Centers are certified because two lanes meet USBC guidelines, all the other lanes are actually exempt if you think about it. The ones that check that don't meet USBC guidlines don't have to be fixed. They are left as is and on to the next pair till two lanes are certified.

The point. Why care? Besides bowlers, no one else does. Even USBC doesn't. Sunshine you are correct. Just bowl because everything else truly does/will not matter.

Be good, or be good at it.

Edited by kidlost2000 on 7/23/2011 at 5:43 AM

Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.

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