Post by: trash heap on September 04, 2006, 09:54:49 AM
Why create the Apogee? I would think the Action Packed or Big Bully would be close to this ball in reaction. How much different can it be. Is it any better?
Why create the Action Max? It seems similar to the Action.
Then there is all the mid range bowling balls will similar hook ratings and such!!!
Enough is enough.
A ball isn't good anymore after 16 Months on the Market. This is getting ridiculus! Pretty soon we are going to replace equipment 1/2 through league season because the ball will be only out there for 4 Months.
Ball Manufactures are going to run out of Names to call these new bowling balls.
Post by: azus on September 04, 2006, 06:10:00 PM
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Post by: J_Mac on September 04, 2006, 06:15:59 PM
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I buy Columbia300 equipment and I am going to use them as an example.
Why create the Apogee? I would think the Action Packed or Big Bully would be close to this ball in reaction. How much different can it be. Is it any better?
The Apogee will allow more control over reaction shape than the AP would since it has a significant MB to help tune the reaction.
See this article by Rick Bennoit explaining the differences he saw between an Absolute Inferno and the Vapor Zone which share the same coverstock.
http://www.brunswickinsiders.com/PBATour/PBATournaments/2006tournaments/Cheektowaga/featuredballbuff.htm
Maybe the average Joe Bowler can't recognize the difference between the two reactions, but someone in the know can utilize these seemingly insignificant differences.
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Post by: BOWL119 on September 04, 2006, 06:16:04 PM
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BOWLING IS FUN NO MATTER WHAT YOU SCORE. BUT A 300 IS ALWAYS NICE.
Post by: Rileybowler on September 04, 2006, 06:30:41 PM
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Post by: Juggernaut on September 04, 2006, 06:37:09 PM
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Post by: BOWL119 on September 04, 2006, 06:45:11 PM
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Post by: toomanytenpins on September 04, 2006, 06:48:29 PM
I guess bowling balls to me have gotten to be like shoes for women. I cant seem to pass up a deal. I bought my passion for 80 .My solution for 11. My battle and epic I got from ball leagues this summer after my stuff was stollen. Most my other stuff right now I have gotten of ebay for under 15 bucks just because i won the bids. I cant honestly say that anyone imparticular has helped me to be a better bowler, but it gives me something to do
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Post by: trash heap on September 04, 2006, 07:22:31 PM
Good article. Parker scored very well that week (made it to semi finals).
Unfortunately, Joe Bowler thinks its best thing out there since it is the latest.
Post by: novawagonmaster on September 04, 2006, 07:41:48 PM
Joe Bowler does not know the difference and just thinks he should get the "lates and greatest", "most hookinest" ball available. He needs a reliable source to make a recommendation. Without that, he will just buy the newest ball at the top of the hook rating scale.
Then there are the rest of us. We know the latest release will not add 20 pins to our average. However, we still order up the new release either because we "deserve it", we "want it", or because we like to experiment with new ball technology (different drills, different cover tweaks, etc.). Bowling is my drug. I am addicted to Buzzsaws. I order up each new one just to add it to the collection and to go play on the lanes. It's what I do. If you think it's rediculous, you are right, but there is nothing you can do to understand.
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Post by: trash heap on September 04, 2006, 08:00:52 PM
Don't worry....Some day they will find a cure for your addiction.
Realization that you have a problem is the first step.
Post by: Mike Austin on September 04, 2006, 08:04:34 PM
The ball companies are in business to sell bowling balls for profit. All the companies have done research and their psychology of purchasing data shows that we will buy more balls (units) if they are introduced they way there are presently.
It is hard to tell the difference of recent releases and the ones before it. But, the new balls are much different than balls from 3-4 years ago. Hard for the ball companies to sell ball from 3-4 years ago. Technology keeps advancing.
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Post by: charlest on September 04, 2006, 08:15:54 PM
Regarding Rich's article about Parker and the AI vs the VZ, I'd hazard a guess that there aren't 20 people here out of every person registered on ballreviews who even know how to manipulate a mass bias/PSA cored ball that way.
Ballreviews people are generaly much more knowledgeable than "Joe Bowler", but most of them, even after having the drilling of Mass Bias balls explained to them (by people such as Rich Hamlin, Rick and Carl from Track forum, king of the mill, tekneek and several others here), still ask basic questions about them.
There are too many balls produced. I understand that even Brunswick has to discontinue and re-introduce a ball (Nemesis to Wizard) if only to change the color and keep the new ones fresh in customers minds.
There are so many balls with so many trivial differences.
Heck, does Brunswick really need the AI? Can't the VZ be drilled to emulate the symmetric reaction of the AI?
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Post by: BOWL119 on September 04, 2006, 08:20:27 PM
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BOWLING IS FUN NO MATTER WHAT YOU SCORE. BUT A 300 IS ALWAYS NICE.
Post by: trash heap on September 04, 2006, 09:41:36 PM
Post by: trash heap on September 04, 2006, 10:07:52 PM
Post by: splitcity on September 04, 2006, 10:14:16 PM
so i use all equipment from 1995-1999. the bowling ball era that i feel put bowling back on the map. 1997 was a huge year for bowling, i believe i read where that was the previous high for number of league bowlers until 2005.bowling was back and bigger than ever and ball companies had no idea that the market would solidify and even grow to what it has. so i feel they made excellent balls during that time. for instance the danger zone and quantum lines. even ebonites and early storm balls from that era kick butt after hundreds of games.
so keep buying em and we will continue to see these multiple series of balls coming out every 4 months for each company. i compare this to the fans who complain about how much tickets are and how much professional athletes make all the while going to the games and paying 6.00 a beer and 4.00 a hot dog and not to forget 100 bucks a ticket. how many ball names can they create? next they will start naming them after dead presidents, or have they done that already?
Edited on 9/4/2006 10:08 PM
Post by: J_Mac on September 04, 2006, 10:22:02 PM
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J-Mac,
Regarding Rich's article about Parker and the AI vs the VZ, I'd hazard a guess that there aren't 20 people here out of every person registered on ballreviews who even know how to manipulate a mass bias/PSA cored ball that way.
Ballreviews people are generaly much more knowledgeable than "Joe Bowler", but most of them, even after having the drilling of Mass Bias balls explained to them (by people such as Rich Hamlin, Rick and Carl from Track forum, king of the mill, tekneek and several others here), still ask basic questions about them.
There are too many balls produced. I understand that even Brunswick has to discontinue and re-introduce a ball (Nemesis to Wizard) if only to change the color and keep the new ones fresh in customers minds.
There are so many balls with so many trivial differences.
Heck, does Brunswick really need the AI? Can't the VZ be drilled to emulate the symmetric reaction of the AI?
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Local driller is a big fan of his Ultimate Infernos, which are now discontinued, and he isn't really sure how he'd drill a Strike zone to get the same reaction. He's no slouch either.
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"A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice." Bill Cosby
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Post by: charlest on September 05, 2006, 08:53:01 AM
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J-Mac,
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Heck, does Brunswick really need the AI? Can't the VZ be drilled to emulate the symmetric reaction of the AI?
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Local driller is a big fan of his Ultimate Infernos, which are now discontinued, and he isn't really sure how he'd drill a Strike zone to get the same reaction. He's no slouch either.
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"A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice." Bill Cosby
"Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
There has to be a way; true, the lowest RG of the SZ's mass bias is not as low as the UI's but the difference is not large. He should call Brunswick's tech support, but like most drillers, he's probably too proud to admit he doesn't know how or to ask for help.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: shelley on September 05, 2006, 09:11:28 AM
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A ball isn't good anymore after 16 Months on the Market. This is getting ridiculus! Pretty soon we are going to replace equipment 1/2 through league season because the ball will be only out there for 4 Months.
There's always the wacky notion of not buying all of the balls that a company puts out.
There's the somewhat wacky notion of matching up to certain cores and trying to build an arsenal around that one core because you feel you match up well to it.
SH
Post by: tjj300 on September 05, 2006, 09:57:31 AM
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Post by: MichiganBowling on September 05, 2006, 01:10:15 PM
In the long run, yes, the ball manufacturers are only hurting themselves.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on September 05, 2006, 01:49:38 PM
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You may score higher than me, but you are a better bowler than me.
Post by: BrunsMike on September 05, 2006, 01:53:34 PM
I dont beleive a ball looses its hook, when everyone said that "The One" died, mine still hooked!
Anyway, its all hype and we get the message that we need to buy something new when infact we dont really need it.
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NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
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PBA/Sport Highs: Game 257, Series 838 (4game). Wed. nite offical ending average: 179.8
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on September 05, 2006, 02:00:42 PM
And honestly, the ball you already have is just fine and you probably don't need to keep buying the new equipment. And it's not like anyone is forcing you to either.
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