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trash heap

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Do we need all these bowling balls from the Manufacturers?
« on: September 04, 2006, 09:54:49 AM »
I buy Columbia300 equipment and I am going to use them as an example.

Why create the Apogee? I would think the Action Packed or Big Bully would be close to this ball in reaction. How much different can it be. Is it any better?

Why create the Action Max? It seems similar to the Action.

Then there is all the mid range bowling balls will similar hook ratings and such!!!

Enough is enough.

A ball isn't good anymore after 16 Months on the Market. This is getting ridiculus! Pretty soon we are going to replace equipment 1/2 through league season because the ball will be only out there for 4 Months.

Ball Manufactures are going to run out of Names to call these new bowling balls.

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Re: Do we need all these bowling balls from the Manufacturers?
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2006, 10:07:52 PM »
When someone takes an opposing position you get mad. It doesn't make sense. You throw a sarcasm statement. Can't anyone else?????
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Re: Do we need all these bowling balls from the Manufacturers?
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2006, 10:14:16 PM »
no we dont need all these balls. but we foolishly keep creating a big market for them by buying them often enough. dont you think these ball companies make these balls to last a season or so then you'll need another one? simple business, marketing and economics. thats why i refuse to buy newer balls. in my many experiences from 2000-2003, when i figured out the ball company game, i noticed that many if not all of them lost their pop and carrying ability noticeably after 100 games or so, especially particles! i bought 3 balls a year and bowled 2 nights a week.i learned a lot about the game and my average shot up to 210 and has never went down from there.
      so i use all equipment from 1995-1999. the bowling ball era that i feel put bowling back on the map. 1997 was a huge year for bowling, i believe i read where that was the previous high for number of league bowlers until 2005.bowling was back and bigger than ever and ball companies had no idea that the market would solidify and even grow to what it has. so i feel they made excellent balls during that time. for instance the danger zone and quantum lines. even ebonites and early storm balls from that era kick butt after hundreds of games.
     so keep buying em and we will continue to see these multiple series of balls coming out every 4 months for each company. i compare this to the fans who complain about how much tickets are and how much professional athletes make all the while going to the games and paying 6.00 a beer and 4.00 a hot dog and not to forget 100 bucks a ticket. how many ball names can they create? next they will start naming them after dead presidents, or have they done that already?

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lets face it... this isnt deadlifting or picking up women.. its BOWLING!!!! Stop acting tough when you roll 4 strikes in a row!!!

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Re: Do we need all these bowling balls from the Manufacturers?
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2006, 10:22:02 PM »
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J-Mac,

Regarding Rich's article about Parker and the AI vs the VZ, I'd hazard a guess that there aren't 20 people here out of every person registered on ballreviews who even know how to manipulate a mass bias/PSA cored ball that way.

Ballreviews people are generaly much more knowledgeable than "Joe Bowler", but most of them, even after having the drilling of Mass Bias balls explained to them (by people such as  Rich Hamlin, Rick and Carl from Track forum, king of the mill, tekneek and several others here), still ask basic questions about them.

There are too many balls produced. I understand that even Brunswick has to discontinue and re-introduce a ball (Nemesis to Wizard) if only to change the color and keep the new ones fresh in customers minds.

There are so many balls with so many trivial differences.

Heck, does Brunswick really need the AI? Can't the VZ be drilled to emulate the symmetric reaction of the AI?
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Re: Do we need all these bowling balls from the Manufacturers?
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2006, 08:53:01 AM »
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Heck, does Brunswick really need the AI? Can't the VZ be drilled to emulate the symmetric reaction of the AI?
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Local driller is a big fan of his Ultimate Infernos, which are now discontinued, and he isn't really sure how he'd drill a Strike zone to get the same reaction.  He's no slouch either.
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There has to be a way; true, the lowest RG of the SZ's mass bias is not as low as the UI's but the difference is not large. He should call Brunswick's tech support, but like most drillers, he's probably too proud to admit he doesn't know how or to ask for help.

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Re: Do we need all these bowling balls from the Manufacturers?
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2006, 09:11:28 AM »
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A ball isn't good anymore after 16 Months on the Market. This is getting ridiculus! Pretty soon we are going to replace equipment 1/2 through league season because the ball will be only out there for 4 Months.


There's always the wacky notion of not buying all of the balls that a company puts out.

There's the somewhat wacky notion of matching up to certain cores and trying to build an arsenal around that one core because you feel you match up well to it.

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Re: Do we need all these bowling balls from the Manufacturers?
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2006, 09:57:31 AM »
I think financially it works to the informed bowlers favor.  Because of the flood of new balls you can buy last years top end balls at a significant discount and give up nothing in performance.



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Re: Do we need all these bowling balls from the Manufacturers?
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2006, 01:10:15 PM »
The ball manufacturers are simply following the trends of society today and playing to the current human psyche.  People like bright, new, shiny things;  they also like to be the first person in their league to get a certain bowling ball.  It personally drives me nuts, because I like to stick with something that I know works, but they discontinue it faster than I can blink.  I don't care what the ball looks like, whether somebody else has it, or if it smells like strawberries.  I want a ball that knocks down pins when I throw a good shot.

In the long run, yes, the ball manufacturers are only hurting themselves.
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Re: Do we need all these bowling balls from the Manufacturers?
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2006, 01:49:38 PM »
I don't care if someone else has a certain ball, but I do care about what it looks like and if it smells like strawberries.

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Re: Do we need all these bowling balls from the Manufacturers?
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2006, 01:53:34 PM »
Are there too many balls on the market, sure there are. Is there something that we can do to stop it, I dont really think there is a way. I was once a guy that would buy 5-6 new balls a years. My last new purchase was a Vapor Zone. My current arsenal is in my profile and I will not buy anything new or used for a long while because 1, money isnt there to support that. 2, I feel my arsenal is pretty solid. 3, I have never struck with the same 4-5 ball arsenal for more then 5 months. I also feel that I can make adjustments to keep this arsenal in play and still score well game after game.

I dont beleive a ball looses its hook, when everyone said that "The One" died, mine still hooked!

Anyway, its all hype and we get the message that we need to buy something new when infact we dont really need it.
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Re: Do we need all these bowling balls from the Manufacturers?
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2006, 02:00:42 PM »
I don't think giving customers more choices is a bad thing.  Do they discontinue things a little too fast?  Yeah maybe, I could see that.  You can still find old stuff if you look for it though.

And honestly, the ball you already have is just fine and you probably don't need to keep buying the new equipment.  And it's not like anyone is forcing you to either.
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