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Rockbowler

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Do you think there are DUDS?
« on: October 20, 2004, 07:32:09 AM »
A few weeks ago, I had an exchange with EXCALIBER and tenpinspro and both said they do not believe in duds. I do not remember the exact words but they said that it is up to the bowler to get a good driller for a well-fitting ball and to adjust the surface and to the lanes and any ball can work. I do not agree as I have had my share of balls that will not hit for me after adjustments. Examples are:

1) V2 Dry (I talked to a PRO and he said he does not know of anybody who likes this ball)
2) Jackhammer
3) Optyx Something (the clear reactive blue ball)
4) EMB
 
What about you? Do you think all balls will work? If not, what are the balls that you would consider duds?

If all balls work, then at the most, we should buy two balls a year and make the necessary adjustments. I do not think the ball manufacturers will like that.

 

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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2004, 03:35:07 PM »
Do you mean an individual ball that somehow got through quality control when shouldn't have, or one particular a model of balls?
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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2004, 03:38:27 PM »
Any ball that you would consider a dud. A ball that just would not hit for you. I am not sure that we can generalize and say that the ball has a manufacturing defect (although there is that possibility) but just a ball that will not work for you.

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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2004, 03:39:20 PM »
I loved my V2 dry and there is a guy on my thursday league and thats all he throws.
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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2004, 03:40:33 PM »
optyx illusion blue/orange/purple chromaflair

my two ebo only teammates.....1 likes the v2 dry but now throws a fire instead, the other hates it and she would rather throw her cow ball instead(both former touring pros one in the 70s and 80s, she did in the 90s)
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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2004, 03:41:55 PM »
Yes there are such things as DUDS.

Rockbowler

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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2004, 03:46:57 PM »
JPRLane1, I still have the V2 Dry (barely used). If you or yuour friend really love it then I am more than willing to part with it for a reasonable fee.

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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2004, 03:48:31 PM »
I think there are both individual balls that are duds and whole ball models that are duds.  Of course, SOMEBODY is going to match up well even to a ball model that is a dud.  I'd like to think that extensive research and development goes into every single ball model that is released, but there is no way that that is the case.  Certain flagship balls may have that, but I'm convinced that most of the time both coverstocks and cores are shots in the dark, and we--the consumers--are the guinea pigs that get to decide what works and what doesn't.  R & D budgets would be prohibitive if every ball had extensive research and testing.  The companies simply release too many for that to be the case.  They are like cluster bombs--they throw a bunch of them at us, and something will hit.

A ball that was a major dud for me was the Faball Hammer 4DHPT.  And just try to find anyone that liked the Riptide or Tombstone.  The Seawolf vanished in what seemed like a couple weeks.  The Blazing Inferno disappeared pretty fast.

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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2004, 03:58:30 PM »
No thanks Rock I sold mine too when I went back to only buzzsaws.  It is a great ball on light oil,  I played very straight with it and it has enough core to carry.  Could it be your not using it on the right conditions or your looking for something it can't do.
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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2004, 04:01:25 PM »
There are balls that work for a limited group of people.  However, the balls are marketed to the masses.  Therefore the ball will not work for a lot of people.  These balls will fall in the dud category.

No matter what type of ball it is, someone may find it useful.  A ball that rolls instantly and flattens out will be loved by someone that throws 20+ miles per hour.  A ball that does not hook will be loved by the turtles.  However, don't expect to sell a lot of them.  If a ball company makes a bunch of unpopular balls goodbye customers (like Hammer for a number of years).

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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2004, 04:04:44 PM »
Like I said I do not give up easily on a ball. I have a Lane 1 Viper that I really love for light-to-dry lanes and I just bought a Bullet so I am hopeful.

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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2004, 04:36:14 PM »
Over the past 5 years, I've owned 50+ balls across most of the major manufacturers (Storm, Columbia, Track, Ebonite). I've also dabbled in a few of the smaller player, namely Lane#1 and Hammer. The balls cover the entire spectrum of reaction -- Particles, Pearl Particles, Solid Resins, Pearl Resins, Solid Urethanes, Pearl Urethanes, and Plastics. Cores have been both Symmetric and Asymmetric, with RG values ranging from very high to very low.

I can say with certainty that none of the balls have been duds. There have been a few instances where I did not initially lay out the right drill pattern, or played with a non-optimal surface prep, but one way or another I'd finally get it right.

So I have to agree with tenpinspro. If you have a well developed game and set up any ball properly, it should work satisfactorily on it's intended condition. Having said this, it doesn't mean that you won't like one ball better than another. But that doesn't make the less preferred ball a dud.  



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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2004, 08:21:43 PM »
The Illusion isn't a dud... Its for light oil...
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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2004, 09:27:03 PM »
I don't think there has been a true dud released in quite some time.  There is going to be stuff that you don't match up with no matter what you try.  The two things I try to avoid are real low RG's and big differentials.  I know the balls I haven't liked in the last few years have been good for other people.
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Re: Do you think there are DUDS?
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2004, 12:44:50 AM »
Rockbowler, I think you are misquoting to a certain degree.

tenpinspro and I were simply stating that some equipment just does not match up to some bowler's styles----OR they were expecting a ball that hooks and they end up with something like a V2 Dry.


To add my opinion in here. I do not believe that there are duds. I have had balls that just did not work for me no matter what I did. With the same bowling balls some people really love them.

More often than not when a ball does not match up I think it is probably a bad layout for that bowler, on that ball on that lane condition. So an entire model being a dud....I don't believe so.

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