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MSC2471

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Trying to aid a fellow teammate who's in THS hell...
« on: February 10, 2005, 01:49:27 PM »
I figure this would be a good place to see if anyone has suggestions for a teammate that I have on Monday nights who is pulling his hair out trying to get the right layout/ ball combination to combat this THS we see. Where should I begin- I will describe his style as a lefty tweener, he gets medium to medium-high revolutions but has lower ball speed (typically on Qubica around 13.5-14 mph). He has an inverted track and I believe his pro shop driller told me his PAP is around 5" over. Current equipment that I've seen him try on this THS includes a Triple Xtreme, Fear Factor, Throttle/R, Hot Rod Pro Stock Pearl, V2 Dry and what's been most successful for him (until the carrydown from the other lefties hits) would be playing straight up 5 board with his Storm soccer ball. You put him on any other type of shot outside of THS, he's a legit 220 average everywhere. On this THS he's averaging 213 currently but getting frustrated as he sees speed/power players able to use anything while he over/unders with every aggressive piece of equipment he has in his arsenal. He's also finding that polished equipment on this type of shot actually amplifies the over/under situation.

The house is an all wood house, I would say it's lighter from 8 and out but very heavy inside of 9. The pin decks can get very wet when the carrydown hits, so the deeper you play inside the more back row single pins you leave.

He bought a bunch of yellow dots and plans on using this on this shot outside the dry. I just would like to see if there's a way I could help him get the right ball/coverstock preparation/ layout for him so that he can effectively compete with the rest of the league without having to use such weak equipment due to his style.

Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Matt

Edited on 2/11/2005 1:26 AM

 

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Re: Trying to aid a fellow teammate who's in THS hell...
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2005, 11:27:33 PM »
If his track is inverted, He can't have a pap with an up coordinate, just an quick fyi. Pin axis drills with mass bias (if it has one) in the track usually works well in situations like this, as there is enough backend naturally on the shot, it revs real early, yet doesn't backend like a lot of balls. I would reccomend a Ebonite Ice sanded to 1500 with pin axis or pin 1 inch away from axis.

Another option would be a ball that gets the most length possible with the hit of something stronger. I have a storm hit pearl that does just this for me. I have it polished right now with control it, and at its present condition, it allows me to play up te boards on a ths. It is about 2 boards stronger than a gold angle, 4 than a spare ball polished like a mofo, but it gets much better length than the angle and hits so much harder than either ball.

Tell him to try some control it or Track's delayed reaction on his weakest ball besides plastic. This will give the ball more length, without increasing the snap/turn at the breakpoint. I'd first sand the v2 dry to 2000 and then burn the polish into the coverstock. From my experience, reactive hits much harder than urethane or plastic (don't know why, maybe the frictional drive at the pins), even if it is a 3 peice reactive like my hit.

Hope something here helps, as I had the same problem for a while at one house, but i eventually moved into the oil with high load particle and tried not to miss right. I've been averaging 229 since i made the switch, so he might want to try playing "the frozen rope" going straight up 11 or 12.
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Re: Trying to aid a fellow teammate who's in THS hell...
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2005, 12:33:19 AM »
Thanks for the FYI Stanski- I edited this part accordingly. I wish the frozen rope up 11 or 12 were a viable option in this house, but the nature of this house causes a ton of 7 pins, 8 pins, 9 pins and 10 pins when you have the ball coming in from that inside of an angle. I know from personal experience that the ball has to be outside of 10 when it makes the turn or I can count on a back pin staying up.

Keep up with the suggestions- I will print them off for my friend and see what can happen...

Matt

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Re: Trying to aid a fellow teammate who's in THS hell...
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2005, 11:45:40 AM »
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Thanks for the FYI Stanski- I edited this part accordingly. I wish the frozen rope up 11 or 12 were a viable option in this house, but the nature of this house causes a ton of 7 pins, 8 pins, 9 pins and 10 pins when you have the ball coming in from that inside of an angle. I know from personal experience that the ball has to be outside of 10 when it makes the turn or I can count on a back pin staying up.

Keep up with the suggestions- I will print them off for my friend and see what can happen...

Matt


Upon hearing about the lane condition you described, I figured this would be the case. Hope something i said in there helps somewhat!
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Re: Trying to aid a fellow teammate who's in THS hell...
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2005, 11:58:48 AM »
Hey this sounds like our local shot on the left!

Incredible jump.  Go wide and one ends up with a split or 6 pin for the slower higher than medium rev lefty(me and him).

Yesterday I used an Icon2 and it finally looked good on this shot!

A friend is averaging 217 on this exact sounding shot in a house with one 300 shot by a lefty in 3 years!  High lefty average for 3 years has been 211.

Every 230 average lefty from around town  has come in and often shot under 600.

He has two strategies he uses.  Strong balls(like Total annhilation) drilled pin over ring and mass bias in track hit with the lustre king(wax) not polish.

He says it gives him length and a SLOW read unlike polish which jumps!
He also teams up with a Deal which is a ball noted for not supplying anything but smooth backend.  It's pretty impressive what he has done.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I sometimes get a nice look on this non blended long pattern with my Hot Wire which is 600 sand and lots of black magic sent out to 5!  Ka boom!


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Re: Trying to aid a fellow teammate who's in THS hell...
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2005, 12:06:12 PM »
Try any low to medium rg, medium diff ball with the pin 1 to 2 inches from the PAP and the surface around 600 to 800 grit matte.  For me, this tends to smooth out those over/under wet/dry type shots, but still provides enough flare to turn the corner and hit.