Author Topic: does neone ever post negative reviews? (Read 3462 times)

stanski · « **on:** August 22, 2003, 06:35:37 AM »

seriously now... its almost hard to find ne complaints about balls that couldnt be fixed somehow and often were...the only ones i can find are columbia's hooking at ppls feet...besides that its almost hard to find a negative review on balls on this website. has neone else ever noticed this trend? i mean... theres some balls that have negative reviews but basically its because its either a heavy oil ball that hooks at ppl's feet or a light oil that hooks too much... just looking for others comments on this topic
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A_P_K · « **Reply #1 on:** August 22, 2003, 09:57:51 PM »

I feel that if you end up posting a negative review about a ball then you shouldn't have gotten that far with it to begin with. Why should anyone struggle with a P.O.S. for when you could give it to someone who can use it.
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RandyO · « **Reply #2 on:** August 22, 2003, 10:18:21 PM »

I havenâ€™t posted any negative reviews yet. However, I suppose I could if I felt it was worth the effort. Problem is, most balls that donâ€™t work for me often work great for others. Iâ€™m sure there are lots and lots of balls in that category. Balls I have tried and as of yet canâ€™t stand:

Track Threat â€“ darned thing wonâ€™t carry for me. On some shots it burns up and leaves flat 10â€™s. On other conditions where itâ€™s not burning up but finishing strong, itâ€™s 4 pin, 4-9, ring 10, or stone 8â€™s and 9â€™s. I have the same layout on this ball as some of my other favorites. It just never worked well FOR ME.

Icon 300 â€“ tried it dull, didnâ€™t like it. Tried it shiny, didnâ€™t like it. Frankly, for a heavy oil ball, I prefer my Red Razor urethane â€œhands downâ€ over the Icon 300.

Original Icon â€“ when I first tried this ball (back in my 16# days), I like it. Now that I have a 15# arsenal, I canâ€™t seem to find a place to use it. Itâ€™s too weak for heavy oil, too strong for light oil, and on ANY medium condition the Brunswick Inferno is infinitely better. For some reason, lefties love this Icon, but I havenâ€™t seen to many Righties who like it.

Sling Blade â€“ I drilled one up real tame and HATED it. It either JUMPED off the dry or skated in the oil. This may be a good â€˜condition specificâ€™ ball, but as of yet I havenâ€™t found a specific condition that I like it on.

Pearl Beast w/mica â€“ God I hate this ball. Drilled it with the pin over the bridge and the CG under the bridge. It either does nothing or it over-reacts. I think the coverstock is too weak for todayâ€™s conditions, but too strong for really dry lanes. I would rather carry around a Black Hammer or Ice Blue Razor for dry conditions.

There â€“ thatâ€™s 5 balls that sucked the big one. Happy now?

louie · « **Reply #3 on:** August 22, 2003, 11:28:19 PM »

I'll post a less then glowing review about a ball, but the fact is that most modern bowling balls are very good. Sometimes the drilling or surface prep doesn't match up well with a particular bowler, but it may be great for someone else. I didn't like the Messenger TI or the Nuline Virus but that was probably due to a poor drill pattern choice rather than anything else.
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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** August 22, 2003, 11:50:56 PM »

There should be no completely negative ball reviews. EVery ball is good for someone, on some condition with some drilling. If you say a ball is a POS, then you have obviously not tried it on enough conditions, or with an alternative drilling, or possibly a minor surface tweak. There is no reason to re-drill it 4 or 5 times to find a good drilling for your delivery for the conditions on which you bowl, but you should try at least a 2nd one and several small surface modifications. If you do not, then do not write a review.

The bad balls, if you want to call them such, are ones that are less versatile than other balls. The bad ones work on fewer oil patterns and types of lanes surfaces and types of oil patterns or fewer types of deliveries.

The bad balls might be considered the ones that are special purpose balls or better called arsenal balls, because they work only on very few lane conditions. Maybe a super oiler like the Lane#1 SUper Carbide Bomb or the super dry ball like the XXXL.

Even then I would never term them "bad" balls. To do such would imdicate a limited mentality and someone who has not learned enough about bowling to post a valid or legitimate ball review. There no longer are any "bad" balls, only less versatile ones.
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RandyO · « **Reply #5 on:** August 23, 2003, 12:02:15 AM »

OOPS - I forgot about my experiment - I drlled up a Bone XS about 4 months ago. Sorry to disagree with you Charlie - but that was a BAAAAAAD BALL. Probably the worse match of core and coverstock ever. Even worse, no matter what you did the ball would always be BUTT UGLY. Only ball I ever had that would blow the rack on one shot and go pppphhhht-splaaat on the next shot.

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #6 on:** August 23, 2003, 12:25:52 AM »

I like this site much better than bowlingballreviews.com.
From things I see there, it almost seems like people just post poorly if they do not like a certain company. They give no specifics of the ball at all. I mean, one guy posted that a Super Freak did not hook at all....PLEASE!!!!! I can see it not hooking to one's expectations, but hook like plastic? Come one!

Randy--as far as the BoneXS goes, try the BlackXS. Mo Pinel designed those balls, and he will come out and tell you the white pigment in the Bone made the ball hook far less than it was designed to. Thus the reason the BlackXS was released.

channel surfer · « **Reply #7 on:** August 23, 2003, 12:38:29 AM »

The fact that people say it hooks at there feet is bcuz there not using it on enoguh oil. The purpose is a flood shot where most all balls wotn move, and having it hook early will help it on the oil where it cant get the friction right away.
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charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** August 23, 2003, 08:53:07 AM »

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OOPS - I forgot about my experiment - I drlled up a Bone XS about 4 months ago. Sorry to disagree with you Charlie - but that was a BAAAAAAD BALL. Probably the worse match of core and coverstock ever. Even worse, no matter what you did the ball would always be BUTT UGLY. Only ball I ever had that would blow the rack on one shot and go pppphhhht-splaaat on the next shot.

It was ugleee; I'll grant you that. But I know an old fat lefty in my area who tears them up with that ball when the lanes are dry outside and spotty inside. He has high gloss on it.

I emailed Mo PInel, the designer, about how to drill a Bone XS with a 7" pin. Luckily I sold it before I had to drill it.
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Edited on 8/23/2003 9:04 AM

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #9 on:** August 23, 2003, 09:33:55 AM »

I agree with the comments made by CHARLEST.

I buy all NEW balls .. maybe 1 a month .. I sit in my office now as I write this .. looking at the BALL RACK and wonder how my wife puts up with it? I've only reviewed the balls that I was IMPRESSED with. The others probable haven't been attempted on the right condition. Some of the balls are 6 months old and have maybe 6/9 games on them. By the time I'm satisfied with it and go to write a REVIEW .. everyone else knows about the ball and it's NOT worth while writing about. Due to this .. most of my reviews are POSITIVE!
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9andaWiggle · « **Reply #10 on:** August 23, 2003, 12:04:57 PM »

On most reviews, you have to consider the source. Some people, and if you read enough you will know who they are, will recommend any ball for any bowler. Please... I personally buy into the "there are no bad balls, just bad bowlers" philosophy. Maybe the ball doesn't fit your style - post that so others that throw similar will be forewarned, but it doesn't necessarily mean the ball is junk. Also, there is so much that can be done to a ball these days, it would be hard to tell if it was the ball, the cover/core/your bowling style combo or even the lanes. I mention the lanes bacause of all the comments about a ball hooking at your feet. I have been in houses where the heads were in such bad shape that a conventional drilled Black Beauty would hook at your feet. OK, slight exaggeration, but the lane surface and how it's maintained definitely plays a part in how a ball reacts, especially with today's high tech hook monsters.

I find it more bothersome that people post like this: "I just got ball X and it is awesome. I shot 298-299-300 right out of the box! Blah, blah, blah." Good for you, now tell me something about the ball. PLEASE include information that is actually relative to the balls performance! Your style, the drilling, lane pattern, etc... That is much more helpful!

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seadrive · « **Reply #11 on:** August 23, 2003, 01:14:09 PM »

Most reviews are positive because they're really score reports, not ball reviews. They spend one sentence telling you about the ball, and everything else is about how great they are. If they don't shoot well with said ball, nothing to brag about, hence no score re... errr, I mean, no ball review.
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Psychoballtester · « **Reply #12 on:** August 23, 2003, 01:52:26 PM »

Here's an idea,

It would be nice if they did a "Retro/Vintage" ball reviews,IJKITIRRFF!!!!

There are several balls then that do damage now,maybe except the heavy flooded
conditons,but it's just a typed thought.

Also for me if I see that a BALL has over 20 reviews,thats enough looking and obviously has enough info!Whether it be good or bad.Soooooooo,I dont even post a review,why ask for 21st opinion,when 20 is good enough.Thats just an example.

I mess around with bowling balls a lot,if I feel it's less than a 6 (aka ""C"")
I dont need ta post it,I'm sure someone here at BR is gonna bag/rag that particular ball anyways.So,I'll let he/she do that.

I see other posters put score stories(bonehead me included),some do a great job with the specs and all that junk,some do less,but we all try our best and the experience is very real!

I think if you try your darndest,and it looks understandable,with the specs,then you(aka everyone here) are doing fine.

We have things to worry about in REAL LIFE then cyber bashing keyboard style
,even though this topic is one of the lighter ones I've read.

Thats all I gotta type,I couldn't resist this tropic.

I'm off,ta post somewhere else!

Psycho.B.T

charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** August 23, 2003, 06:05:56 PM »

quote:
Most reviews are positive because they're really score reports, not ball reviews. They spend one sentence telling you about the ball, and everything else is about how great they are. If they don't shoot well with said ball, nothing to brag about, hence no score re... errr, I mean, no ball review.
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Indeed!!!
There are "ball ball" reviews, and then there are bad "ball reviews"! We have seen too many of both.

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stanski · « **Reply #14 on:** August 23, 2003, 09:14:02 PM »

thanks randy for the bad reviews!!! ive been waiting for one of those for a while now. i think i gave one bad review on a freak and thats cuz it died on me too soon.
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