Post by: stanski on August 22, 2003, 06:35:37 AM
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Post by: A_P_K on August 22, 2003, 09:57:51 PM
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Post by: RandyO on August 22, 2003, 10:18:21 PM
Track Threat – darned thing won’t carry for me. On some shots it burns up and leaves flat 10’s. On other conditions where it’s not burning up but finishing strong, it’s 4 pin, 4-9, ring 10, or stone 8’s and 9’s. I have the same layout on this ball as some of my other favorites. It just never worked well FOR ME.
Icon 300 – tried it dull, didn’t like it. Tried it shiny, didn’t like it. Frankly, for a heavy oil ball, I prefer my Red Razor urethane “hands down†over the Icon 300.
Original Icon – when I first tried this ball (back in my 16# days), I like it. Now that I have a 15# arsenal, I can’t seem to find a place to use it. It’s too weak for heavy oil, too strong for light oil, and on ANY medium condition the Brunswick Inferno is infinitely better. For some reason, lefties love this Icon, but I haven’t seen to many Righties who like it.
Sling Blade – I drilled one up real tame and HATED it. It either JUMPED off the dry or skated in the oil. This may be a good ‘condition specific’ ball, but as of yet I haven’t found a specific condition that I like it on.
Pearl Beast w/mica – God I hate this ball. Drilled it with the pin over the bridge and the CG under the bridge. It either does nothing or it over-reacts. I think the coverstock is too weak for today’s conditions, but too strong for really dry lanes. I would rather carry around a Black Hammer or Ice Blue Razor for dry conditions.
There – that’s 5 balls that sucked the big one. Happy now????
Post by: louie on August 22, 2003, 11:28:19 PM
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Why does everyone laugh when I bowl?
louie
Post by: charlest on August 22, 2003, 11:50:56 PM
The bad balls, if you want to call them such, are ones that are less versatile than other balls. The bad ones work on fewer oil patterns and types of lanes surfaces and types of oil patterns or fewer types of deliveries.
The bad balls might be considered the ones that are special purpose balls or better called arsenal balls, because they work only on very few lane conditions. Maybe a super oiler like the Lane#1 SUper Carbide Bomb or the super dry ball like the XXXL.
Even then I would never term them "bad" balls. To do such would imdicate a limited mentality and someone who has not learned enough about bowling to post a valid or legitimate ball review. There no longer are any "bad" balls, only less versatile ones.
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Post by: RandyO on August 23, 2003, 12:02:15 AM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on August 23, 2003, 12:25:52 AM
From things I see there, it almost seems like people just post poorly if they do not like a certain company. They give no specifics of the ball at all. I mean, one guy posted that a Super Freak did not hook at all....PLEASE!!!!! I can see it not hooking to one's expectations, but hook like plastic? Come one!
Randy--as far as the BoneXS goes, try the BlackXS. Mo Pinel designed those balls, and he will come out and tell you the white pigment in the Bone made the ball hook far less than it was designed to. Thus the reason the BlackXS was released.
Post by: channel surfer on August 23, 2003, 12:38:29 AM
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Post by: charlest on August 23, 2003, 08:53:07 AM
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OOPS - I forgot about my experiment - I drlled up a Bone XS about 4 months ago. Sorry to disagree with you Charlie - but that was a BAAAAAAD BALL. Probably the worse match of core and coverstock ever. Even worse, no matter what you did the ball would always be BUTT UGLY. Only ball I ever had that would blow the rack on one shot and go pppphhhht-splaaat on the next shot.
It was ugleee; I'll grant you that. But I know an old fat lefty in my area who tears them up with that ball when the lanes are dry outside and spotty inside. He has high gloss on it.
I emailed Mo PInel, the designer, about how to drill a Bone XS with a 7" pin. Luckily I sold it before I had to drill it.
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Edited on 8/23/2003 9:04 AM
Post by: JOE FALCO on August 23, 2003, 09:33:55 AM
I buy all NEW balls .. maybe 1 a month .. I sit in my office now as I write this .. looking at the BALL RACK and wonder how my wife puts up with it? I've only reviewed the balls that I was IMPRESSED with. The others probable haven't been attempted on the right condition. Some of the balls are 6 months old and have maybe 6/9 games on them. By the time I'm satisfied with it and go to write a REVIEW .. everyone else knows about the ball and it's NOT worth while writing about. Due to this .. most of my reviews are POSITIVE!
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Post by: 9andaWiggle on August 23, 2003, 12:04:57 PM
I find it more bothersome that people post like this: "I just got ball X and it is awesome. I shot 298-299-300 right out of the box! Blah, blah, blah." Good for you, now tell me something about the ball. PLEASE include information that is actually relative to the balls performance! Your style, the drilling, lane pattern, etc... That is much more helpful!
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Why, WHY won't the last one just fall?? It's WIGGLING for cryin' out loud!!
Post by: seadrive on August 23, 2003, 01:14:09 PM
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Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: Psychoballtester on August 23, 2003, 01:52:26 PM
It would be nice if they did a "Retro/Vintage" ball reviews,IJKITIRRFF!!!!
There are several balls then that do damage now,maybe except the heavy flooded
conditons,but it's just a typed thought.
Also for me if I see that a BALL has over 20 reviews,thats enough looking and obviously has enough info!Whether it be good or bad.Soooooooo,I dont even post a review,why ask for 21st opinion,when 20 is good enough.Thats just an example.
I mess around with bowling balls a lot,if I feel it's less than a 6 (aka ""C"")
I dont need ta post it,I'm sure someone here at BR is gonna bag/rag that particular ball anyways.So,I'll let he/she do that.
I see other posters put score stories(bonehead me included),some do a great job with the specs and all that junk,some do less,but we all try our best and the experience is very real!
I think if you try your darndest,and it looks understandable,with the specs,then you(aka everyone here) are doing fine.
We have things to worry about in REAL LIFE then cyber bashing keyboard style
,even though this topic is one of the lighter ones I've read.
Thats all I gotta type,I couldn't resist this tropic.
I'm off,ta post somewhere else!
Psycho.B.T
Post by: charlest on August 23, 2003, 06:05:56 PM
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Most reviews are positive because they're really score reports, not ball reviews. They spend one sentence telling you about the ball, and everything else is about how great they are. If they don't shoot well with said ball, nothing to brag about, hence no score re... errr, I mean, no ball review.
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Indeed!!!
There are "ball ball" reviews, and then there are bad "ball reviews"! We have seen too many of both.
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"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
Post by: stanski on August 23, 2003, 09:14:02 PM
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Post by: Phillip Marlowe on August 24, 2003, 01:14:51 PM
For example I HATED the Red Pulse and Nasty Nail. HATED. But loads of people loved both. At one time, if you read the reviews I had posted, I had about 10 reviews that could reasonably be called neutral to negative. But these were not especially useful beyond the objective descriptions of the ball reactions I was seeing. The weakness of reviews is why I try to get a spectrum of opinion and, if possible, watch people who have games similar to mine throw the ball.
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Post by: ambi1 on August 25, 2003, 03:13:44 AM
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I haven’t posted any negative reviews yet. However, I suppose I could if I felt it was worth the effort. Problem is, most balls that don’t work for me often work great for others. I’m sure there are lots and lots of balls in that category. Balls I have tried and as of yet can’t stand:
Track Threat – darned thing won’t carry for me. On some shots it burns up and leaves flat 10’s. On other conditions where it’s not burning up but finishing strong, it’s 4 pin, 4-9, ring 10, or stone 8’s and 9’s. I have the same layout on this ball as some of my other favorites. It just never worked well FOR ME.
Icon 300 – tried it dull, didn’t like it. Tried it shiny, didn’t like it. Frankly, for a heavy oil ball, I prefer my Red Razor urethane “hands down†over the Icon 300.
Original Icon – when I first tried this ball (back in my 16# days), I like it. Now that I have a 15# arsenal, I can’t seem to find a place to use it. It’s too weak for heavy oil, too strong for light oil, and on ANY medium condition the Brunswick Inferno is infinitely better. For some reason, lefties love this Icon, but I haven’t seen to many Righties who like it.
Sling Blade – I drilled one up real tame and HATED it. It either JUMPED off the dry or skated in the oil. This may be a good ‘condition specific’ ball, but as of yet I haven’t found a specific condition that I like it on.
Pearl Beast w/mica – God I hate this ball. Drilled it with the pin over the bridge and the CG under the bridge. It either does nothing or it over-reacts. I think the coverstock is too weak for today’s conditions, but too strong for really dry lanes. I would rather carry around a Black Hammer or Ice Blue Razor for dry conditions.
There – that’s 5 balls that sucked the big one. Happy now????
Funny you should mention the Icon and lefties, I find the same occurence in our house too. Synthetic lanes.
regards
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Post by: ambi1 on August 25, 2003, 03:28:35 AM
As of 3 weeks ago, I would have classified the response as useless ball, I've seen about 18 bowlers, different styles, from crankers to strokers to spinners, on wood and on synthetics using it. No one was successful. They did not necessarily shot bad, but they were in the mediocre level (scores). But 3 weeks ago I saw a lefty do good with the ball, so how do I rate it now? It is VERY, VERY, bowler specific. Personally I think, that is a worst rating than lane specific.
Another example, I was looking for a strong pearl. Members of the site steered me to the Savage pearl. I could not get it to work on our house shot, and everyone was telling me to junk the ball. But in a certain league with a shorter oil pattern, the ball was a control/power beast. Even starting up early (drill was stacked, Pin about 3" from pap), the ball would still finish strong enough to carry. And if I sent it out too wide, the light hit would swish everything out of the deck. So is it a junk? Nope, just condition specific. I later found out that the lanes in the States are usually oiled shorter and with srontger backends than what we have here.
regards and sorry for the long post.
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Post by: laner7pin on August 25, 2003, 03:43:45 AM
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If I could only pick up a 7 pin.....
Post by: rackattack on August 25, 2003, 08:14:06 AM
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If you can't join 'em beat 'em.
Post by: louie on August 25, 2003, 12:55:53 PM
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Why does everyone laugh when I bowl?
louie
Post by: rackattack on August 25, 2003, 04:58:40 PM
Thats the truth,but I look for the ones where he's just ok with it till he hits it with the polish.
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If you can't join 'em beat 'em.
Post by: RSalas on August 25, 2003, 05:11:23 PM
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OOPS - I forgot about my experiment - I drlled up a Bone XS about 4 months ago. Sorry to disagree with you Charlie - but that was a BAAAAAAD BALL. Probably the worse match of core and coverstock ever. Even worse, no matter what you did the ball would always be BUTT UGLY. Only ball I ever had that would blow the rack on one shot and go pppphhhht-splaaat on the next shot.
RandyO: Bring that puppy to Granada when you bowl the LVT. I know three guys who just eat that place alive with their Bone XS.
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I emailed Mo PInel, the designer, about how to drill a Bone XS with a 7" pin. Luckily I sold it before I had to drill it.
So, was that the E-mail that made it to Mo's Q&A column in BTM a while back?
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on August 25, 2003, 05:59:08 PM
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