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bigearv14

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High Performance is not for me...
« on: April 22, 2009, 06:46:04 AM »
I am a college student, and thus, broke...so I have been buying lower performance balls for years, and having some pretty good success. I always wondered, "How much better could I do with a real ball??"

Well, I gave it a shot. I bought a NIB Cell Pearl and drilled it 5x4, which is normally my skid/flip pattern, and this ball did absolutely nothing. Tinkered with the surface, and no luck. Got rid of it and got a Virtual Gravity used and it was drilled the same. Nothing...actually used it on dry lanes. Got rid of it, and now I am back to square one.

I guess it could be the medium-high mass bias, but either way, I can't get these to work. The CP left me in awe that it couldn't hook...and I'm a cranker.

So, now I pick up a Jazz for cheap, for a medium-dry ball. It is drilled the same or close to both the CP and VG, and this ball outhooks both by 5-7 boards on the backend!!!

I had the same thing happen with the Gravity Shift before. Did OK with it, and got rid of it, and drilled a Street Rod Pearl the same or close, and it was the most backending ball I have ever thrown out of about 200+ balls. Actually had to put a weight hole in it to smooth it out.

I don't know what my problem is. I want to buy the newest balls out, but I am either gonna have to resort to symmetric cores or lower priced (less aggressive) equipment....

That being said, I need some new, low-priced equipment, and was wondering if anyone knew of what balls cover the extremes. Most skid/flip, most hook in oil, etc...

Any help or input would be great!
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I need more revs...and more weight. I mean, 15# is fine, but 135# doesn''t do me any favors!!!
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LaneHammer20

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Re: High Performance is not for me...
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 02:49:58 PM »
I can see where you are coming from. Maybe you need a weaker drilling to make sure it isn't burning up or something.

I had same problems with my Virtual, it was turdy.

If you try again with high performance equipment, go with a weak layout, like 6x5 or something
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jbuzz31

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Re: High Performance is not for me...
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 02:50:56 PM »
Maybe the 5x4 drilling doesnt work for you on a strong MB ball.........
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bigearv14

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Re: High Performance is not for me...
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 02:56:28 PM »
I thought my ball was burning up too, but I can't the the VG burning up at 4000 or the Cell Pearl burning up at all!

As far back as I can remember, I never had trouble with that pattern on MB balls. The X-Factor line, the Night Hawk line, and Track's Morpheus balls all did very well for me with that pattern...

I may finally be throwing too much ball...I'm not Reobert Smith, but I may be closer to Wes Malott or Tommy Jones as far as my speed and revs. I was a stupid kid, cranked the ball as much as a could...and now that I'm older and stronger, I can put a strong shot on the ball with little to no effort, and when there's no effort, it's hard to take speed/revs off the ball.
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bigearv14

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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 02:57:17 PM »
6x5 usually worked well for me. I put that on a Kinetic and did pretty well.
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Dan Belcher

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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2009, 03:35:24 PM »
One thing to bear in mind is that strong coverstock balls read the oil and roll earlier than weaker coverstock balls.  This usually makes them less skid/flip and gives them less backend reaction since they use up more of their energy in the midlane.  Weaker coverstock balls tend to skid through the oil further, then react stronger when they do find friction.  Since we never see that much oil in the houses in our area (unless you move deep inside at Kingpin maybe), it's hard for you to really take advantage of stronger balls most of the time.  I have literally half your rev rate and a couple mph slower ball speed, so I tend to like more midlane read, since this gives the ball a chance to pick up a strong roll to really turn the corner and drive through the pindeck.  That's why I was throwing a Second Dimension and playing 13 to 8 while you were going 20 to 4 with a Pluto.  Basically, unless you bowl on a flood, you're going to see more backend from a "weaker" ball than a "stronger" ball simply because of the way you throw it.
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bigearv14

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2009, 09:54:08 AM »
I hear ya Daniel, but I think I should be able to get higher end balls designed for length and turn to go long and turn. Maybe the VG was too strong for me, but it still blows my mind that the Cell Pearl did nothing for me.

I let Will throw it and he got a great backend off of it...maybe I just suck,
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Re: High Performance is not for me...
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2009, 10:13:16 AM »
More then likely you are NOT bowling on a pattern with enough oil.  Thus your balls may be burning up....

You have tried several of the biggest selling and performing balls on the market...  They didn't get that popular because they don't perform...

I agree with the weaker drilling suggestion...  

BTW,  what polish are you using???

Ever try the "sauce"
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Dan Belcher

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 11:05:04 AM »
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I hear ya Daniel, but I think I should be able to get higher end balls designed for length and turn to go long and turn. Maybe the VG was too strong for me, but it still blows my mind that the Cell Pearl did nothing for me.

I let Will throw it and he got a great backend off of it...maybe I just suck,
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I need more revs...and more weight. I mean, 15# is fine, but 135# doesn't do me any favors!!!
Will also probably has more axis tilt and/or axis rotation than you do, if I remember right.  (Been a few months since I've seen him throw a ball)  That would encourages more skid through the heads and midlane, and a more defined, sudden motion on the backend.  Though of course, part of it may really have been just a bad layout for your style, since asymmetrical balls tend to be kind of picky about mass bias placement.  The ball may have been trying to read too early for the way you wanted it to move, etc. based on how far the MB was swung out.  Hard to really say for certain.
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Re: High Performance is not for me...
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2009, 11:58:13 AM »
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I don't know what my problem is. I want to buy the newest balls out


I don't know you, or your game, but this statement makes me wonder if you're going about your selection process a**-backward.  Instead of focusing on the "latest and greatest", I think you need to do some more research and find what you need the ball to do, and make your selection based on needs rather than wants.

Due to my speed/rev match, and the oil volumes (or lack of) generally found in most areas near me, I have no need for anything high-end.  Usually I wind up playing my XXXL or urethane Scout Pearl by game 3 to control the backend.  Oh, and for years my 3rd game has been my highest averaging game by 10 pins.

It's not about what ball you buy or how new/expensive it is, it's about having the right ball when you need it, knowing when you need it, and knowing how to use it.

That last sentence made me sound like a bit of an elitist, I know, but I'm not.  I'm a hack and I know it, but I think the message of that sentence is pretty solid, even if my own game isn't.

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bigearv14

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Re: High Performance is not for me...
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2009, 05:29:43 AM »
Honestly, I've heard the "burning up" argument, and if that is the case, I am bowling on much lighter oil than I ever thought I was...and that's all over Louisville!!! It would surprise me, but it is possible...

If this is the case, I would hate to see heavy oil,

And I thought I had more axis tilt than Will. I actually have drilled my last few balls with a shorter span to promote tilt, so that I could get some of these balls down the lane a little further. But I still doubt that the Cell Pearl should make it past the breakpoint when the Street Rod Pearl is catching just fine with a similar pattern.

And when I use polish, it is 3M Finesse-It. Never tried the "Sauce" yet, but am very interested...maybe when I get my own spinner, I'll order a bottle.
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bigearv14

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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2009, 05:34:10 AM »
And I know what you are saying Wiggle, but I want the newest because generally, they hook more. I would like to actually play my line at my speed...35 to 7 at 21mph. The lower ends work, but I often have to lower the speed. I don't mind adjusting, but if I don't have to, I'd rather play where I'm comfortable.

And I buy these balls to get that hook, and they do nothing!!! GRRRRR!!!!
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Re: High Performance is not for me...
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2009, 06:52:11 AM »
Well, I am just about to put all my so-called high end equipment to rest: no more high mass bias balls, and no state-of-the-art coverstocks.

I found the strong mb balls to be quite limited in use (while the hook is impressive, but that's as far as it goes...), the latter react much too aggressive to my liking - too much, too early, ugh.

I learned (a bit the hard way) that you can get along with very "little" ball, and that hot and new not necessarily means high scores. So I "ended" up tracking down older NIB equipment, with "simple cores", and that's what I match up well with. I might look deeper into Lanemasters balls in the future, though.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: High Performance is not for me...
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2009, 07:24:59 AM »
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Honestly, I've heard the "burning up" argument, and if that is the case, I am bowling on much lighter oil than I ever thought I was...and that's all over Louisville!!! It would surprise me, but it is possible...

If this is the case, I would hate to see heavy oil,
We really don't see that much oil.  Even at Kingpin where they use a longer pattern that's really slick in the middle, there's still a ton of friction outside.  (I can roll it straight up 2 with my plastic ball and hit high flush, I did it the other day in practice working on playing the twig.)  I have half the hand you do, and even then I rarely can use anything dull or anything drilled strong, and at most houses end up moving inside with my Spit Fire during the middle of the winter a lot when the shots seem to play even drier.  Of course, if you want to actually take advantage of your higher-end stuff, come throw a few practice games at Kingpin on the PBA patterns, those usually play pretty tight!
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