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Djarum

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PBA Experience... Scorpion
« on: May 18, 2007, 12:57:32 AM »
Well, I started my PBA experience League last night. The way we are set up, we are bowling doubles scratch for 3 games. Basic 4 point league I guess. We are bowling 3 teams per pair. That means sometimes your opponents on another pair. I was surprised that most of the bowlers there were like me, 180-200 average bowlers. There were only 3 200+ average bowlers, and those guys usually avg in the 220's.

Now getting to my style of bowling. I have medium revs, and medium fast ball speed. This has worked well on the great wall. I have averaged between 175 -190 for years, and last year I finally broke a 200 average. We bowl on 14 year old brunswick anvil lanes.

Well, I first started using my Track Freak around 8 board in practice. This ball has a ton of games on it, but it it has served as my benchmark ball in the past. Its probably around 1000 grit. Playing straight up 8(for me, feet on 18, the ball just didn't want to come up. I then moved to 10, and had 2 shots in practice that looked good. My first game, I had a turkey early, the rest spares, a split, and an open sleeper. What was the most interesting thing about the pattern to me was that If I tugged the ball to 11, the ball would roll up hard either nose in or brooklyn. If I hit 9, the ball would barely hit the three, usually leaving the head pin and a combination.

I noticed the second game that the freak just wasn't hitting the hole hard enough, so I switched to my razor blade. This ball is around 800 grit. Playing the same line as the freak, it was too strong. I then decided to move to 8. I had a double toward the end of the second game. I ran into the same situation. I hit 9, nose, hit 8, miss the head pin completly.

Toward the last game, I moved all the way out to 5, and still had a good look, but ran into the same issue as before, pull one board, nose, right one board, washout.

I shot 187, 177, 158.

The biggest thing I noticed was that the farther you move out, the less room you have as far as missing your mark. The interesting thing I noticed was that if you pulled your ball more than 1 board, say 2 boards, the ball would hold pocket. This told me that by pulling it that far, you are back in the oil. Basically, there was the same mount of oil from 3-6, 7-10, 11-13...etc. In a typicall buffed wall, you can pull it one board knowing you will hit more oil, or hit one board out and know you were going to hit dry. With the scorpion, depending on where you played, there was the same amount of oil accross 3 or 4 boards. I noticed early on when I was playing 10 that I hit 12, and I could hold pocket. This means there is more oil at 12 than 10, but not at 11.

When I went outside, I ran into a similar situation, but reverse. I was able to play 3 or 4 and still hold pocket. I discovered this the last two frames of my last game. But when I was playing 4, and I hit 5, the ball went through the nose. This means that the oil line at 4 is heavier than 3.



One thing I also noticed was that NO ONE was playing the track area. Most of the tweeners and strokers were out where I was at, and the crankers were hitting 15 to 17 with a break around 5-8. They ran into the same problem as I did.

I think the best way to play this condition is to find a spot on the lane where if you  pull it one board it will hold, or if you go out one board it will hold.

We are bowling on the same pattern next week. I think the way I want to try and attack these lanes is actually at the track. No one was playing it(but then again, no one was playing at 5 either). I think If I take my razor blade down to 500, I might be able to get a small swing around 12. As a stroker/tweener, I do know that you can't give the pocket away. You have to have big hand on this condition to do so.

I had fun, and I know why these guys on TV are good.

Dj
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Edited on 5/18/2007 8:58 AM

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Re: PBA Experience... Scorpion
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2007, 12:57:39 PM »
Good post, DJ.  It's fun to get to talk about what it's like to bowl on PBA patterns.  The PBA experience leagues were a GREAT idea.  I bowled on the Scorpion this week as well, and I had some success playing the track area.  My best shot was standing at about 22 and tossing it right up the boards at around 10.  If I kept focused and hit my mark dead on, it was a strike.  However, I experienced the same problems as you if I made any kind of mistake.  It was fun!  My best game was a 192, but I didn't even break 500 lol.
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Re: PBA Experience... Scorpion
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2007, 01:09:34 PM »
I have had an opportunity to practice on this pattern quite a bit.  On the fresh, I've had my best looking throwing my Fury (photo in profile).  Somewhere near the 12-13 area at the arrows out to around maybe 8-9 at the break point (just a small swing).  I seemed to have a decent shot there.. Once the pattern started to break down, I could make 1:1 or 2:1 moves inside.  With lots of bowling, this pattern broke down enough that I was able to get in deeper (around 20 at the arrows) with my jinx and swing it out to the drier track area.  For me, it was most difficult being fresh (sensitive to both speed and targeting), but as it broke down/drier up, really seemed to open up.

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Djarum

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Re: PBA Experience... Scorpion
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2007, 02:53:32 PM »
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I have had an opportunity to practice on this pattern quite a bit.  On the fresh, I've had my best looking throwing my Fury (photo in profile).  Somewhere near the 12-13 area at the arrows out to around maybe 8-9 at the break point (just a small swing).  I seemed to have a decent shot there.. Once the pattern started to break down, I could make 1:1 or 2:1 moves inside.  With lots of bowling, this pattern broke down enough that I was able to get in deeper (around 20 at the arrows) with my jinx and swing it out to the drier track area.  For me, it was most difficult being fresh (sensitive to both speed and targeting), but as it broke down/drier up, really seemed to open up.

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This is what I am thinking about doing next week. I am going to dull up my razor blade, and straight up 12. If it comes up too hard, swing it a little. I think everyone was afraid to play the track because they were afraid it wouldn't get to the pocket. I think you can, as long as you have enough ball.

Dj
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Re: PBA Experience... Scorpion
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2007, 02:54:44 PM »
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Good post, DJ.  It's fun to get to talk about what it's like to bowl on PBA patterns.  The PBA experience leagues were a GREAT idea.  I bowled on the Scorpion this week as well, and I had some success playing the track area.  My best shot was standing at about 22 and tossing it right up the boards at around 10.  If I kept focused and hit my mark dead on, it was a strike.  However, I experienced the same problems as you if I made any kind of mistake.  It was fun!  My best game was a 192, but I didn't even break 500 lol.
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Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...

I invented America.

Proud member of the Track Legion, though I'm seeing other companies on the side.  


I had at least two strikes per game, with the best of 4 strikes. Spares killed me, but I only missed 2 single pin spares. The rest were sleepers or combos.

Dj
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Re: PBA Experience... Scorpion
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2007, 04:51:13 PM »
Hey guys,

On the first two weeks of my PBA summer league we shot the scorpion pattern.  I used my new G-Force solid from the outside (down the first arrow) with good success.  I think if you have a strong enough ball (or good hand), you can do this.  I saw several others trying to play this line, but their balls would not finish strong enough.  I also saw a few trying outside and pointing at the pocket, which seemed even worse because if they missed in they left a big split and if they missed out they washed out (no margin of error).  I actually had two boards of area on either side - light hits carried with lots of scouts and high hits I tripped 5 or 6 six pins.  My high game was 257 and I am averaging 209.
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Djarum

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Re: PBA Experience... Scorpion
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2007, 08:38:12 AM »
Just as an update, I bowled on this pattern last night.

I saw the same problems last night as I did before. I took my Razor Blade and cleaned it and put it around 800 grit. I really didn't see much difference in movement. I can sometimes be a speed dominant player which works well on THS. People who were doing well were throwing 10 and swinging to 8. If I did this the ball never came up. Granted, these folks were throwing dulled up angular and infinite one's, but most of these guys have slower speeds. It seemed that the folks even with big hands that had speed were struggling. I wish I had noticed this the first time out. Slower speeds seemed to dominate this condition. I averaged 172, which was fairly close to last week. Next week will be Chameleon.

psaunders,

I tried doing what you had mentioned around 5 board. Straight up 5 got me to the pocket. If I hit 4 it wouldn't come up and if I hit 6, nose. Like I said, most guys having good success were swinging either 5 to 8 or 10 to 8 with slower speeds and strong balls, even if they didn't have much hand.



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