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Locke

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PAP
« on: April 02, 2008, 06:44:12 AM »
Just wondering. I have always described my layouts by giving the measurements of the pin cg and mb from the nearest finger hole. What exactly is a pap measurement how do I find it?
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Re: PAP
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2008, 02:47:06 PM »
This link will tell you everything about it. Just search for it on that page. bout mid ways well as i remember.

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=74110&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5
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Re: PAP
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2008, 03:10:00 PM »
Thanks for the help but I still don't understand where the 5x3 or what ever measurements come from.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: PAP
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2008, 03:33:49 PM »
In a nutshell, 5x3 for a symmetrical core ball means the pin is placed 5 inches away from the PAP and the CG is 3 inches away from the PAP.  On an asymmetrical ball, it's still 5 inches from the pin to the PAP, but instead of CG, it's 3 inches from mass bias to the PAP.

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Re: PAP
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2008, 03:44:50 PM »
HERE GOES NOTHING

 The term pap is an acronym for positive axis point.  This is the spot on the ball around which the ball rotates after the initial release, before any flaring takes place.

  Any rolling object has an axis point, but it can differ ( and does ) for each individual when it comes to throwing a bowling ball.

  There are a few ways to find the pap, but the easiest for me was to take a NON-FLARING ball and use a piece of tape that highly contrasted the color of the ball so that it was easily visible.  Place the tape on the positive side of your ball and throw it, watching the tape.

  The tape should make a circular motion as the ball moves down the lane.  Each time you throw the ball, move the tape towards the center of the circular motion until you achieve the spot where the tape appears to be stationary on the ball.  That will be your pap.

  The way to determine your pap measurments is to find your grip center and draw a line perpindicular to your grip centerline from your grip center past the pap, then draw a line from the pap down to this line so that it is perpindicular to the first line.  Measure the line from you pap down to the first line.  That will be the small number.  Then measure from your grip center to the line from your pap.  That will be the large number.  As an example, you will end up with something like 5 1/8 over X 3/4 up, but it is different for everybody and these are for example only.

  Now, as for the 5 X 3 stuff.  Those are coordinates on the surface of the ball in relation to the pap.  5 X 3 denotes a place where the pin is 5 inches from the pap and the cg is 3 inches from the pap ( unless it is an asymmetrical ball, then the pin is 5 inches from the pap and the mb is 3 inches from the pap)
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Re: PAP
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2008, 03:56:56 PM »
Thanks for all the help. My pro and I have the exact same release style so he never bothered to tell me what my measurements were.

P.S. my pro is headed back out on to the PBA next season. He will be bowling some tour events again if everything works out. His name is Dune Suhr keep an eye out for him. He is one of the smoothest bowler you will ever see. Poetry in motion with a bowling ball.
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