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SD1

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Drilling question
« on: August 01, 2013, 08:00:56 PM »
just purchased a Brunswick C-system Alpha Max ball.  This ball has a hook potential of 180 out of 185.  I do not put my thumb in the ball so I already generate a lot of revs.  Should I drill this thing neutral?  Can I drill it using pattern for mid lane hook with back end?  Does it matter with thumb out?  Advice please.  Save the tip about putting my thumb in the ball please.

 

J_Mac

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Re: Drilling question
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2013, 09:07:12 PM »
Without the following information, any feedback you get is about as useful as trying to bowl with your bowling arm tied behind your back.


Here are the items needed to recommend a proper layout:

What is your dominant bowling hand?
Speed (from foul line to pins, at foul line, or at pins?)
Rev Rate
Initial Axis Rotation
Initial Axis Tilt
What surface you want the ball for (wood or synthetic)
What lane condition(s) you plan on using the ball for...
Do you think you are speed or revolutions dominate?

kidlost2000

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Re: Drilling question
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2013, 10:14:03 PM »
Visit your local shop that is familiar with your bowling and ask them.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

SD1

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Re: Drilling question
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2013, 10:41:50 PM »
Right handed
18 mph
too much of a novice to speak to accurate rev rate axis rotation and tilt
rev dominate
bowl league at a Brunswick Zone house pattern med oil 19
Can control ball better than most no thumb bowlers by altering revs and speed to hook more or keep tight
Carry a 185 avg
Going to pro shop to get it drilled but they no nothing more about my style than any of you

SD1

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Re: Drilling question
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2013, 10:50:44 PM »
Speed was at pins
I can hook a plastic house ball as much as anybody who bowls thumb in with a better ball
I guess my question is this if I use the layout pattern for that ball to mid lane hook & back end will I be able to keep this thing on the lane?

Rightycomplex

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Re: Drilling question
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2013, 01:03:45 PM »
My suggestion is to follow the advice of both Mac and Kid. The 2-handed style can be extremely tricky to drill for and without seeing you throw a ball, We're pissing in the wind. For example, I can throw the ball 2handed. With 1 hand, My axis rotation is around 60 degrees, tilt 13 degrees, PAP is 5.5" left and 1" up, and rev rate is 350. So I use a lot of medium to shorter pin to PAP layouts (2.75" to 4.5") with the CG in the palm to avoid a weight hole. The reason is I want the ball to flare up earlier and roll rather than flip.

On the other side, 2 handed, AR is like 10 degrees, tilt is at 0 almost, PAP is 6.5" left and 0, and the rev rate goes up into the 450's. If I were to go 2 handed, the layouts I use 1 handed hook 15 ft downlane and roll the rest of the way. I would need to severely adjust the layouts so the ball gets downlane. Im giving this example to back the earlier points made and stress the importance of finding out this information. Without it, even with your description, AGAIN, we're pissing in the wind.

Go to you driller, find out you PAP, tilt, and axis rotation (which can kind of be guesstimated by a piece of tape and your driller watching the ball) Not exact but atleast it'll get the ball rolling. Then you can go through the idea of what you want out of the ball and what your options are as far as what is possible in the ball and how that affects the layout. For you, being 2handed, you pin to PAP with symmetricals should be no shorter than 4.5" to 5" and no longer than about 4" on asymmetricals (generally 2.75" to 3.5"). Then after all this is done, you can discuss what surfaces work for you as to what you are bowling on. For you, nothing more than 2000 and a good benchmark should be 4000 and/or a light polish.

I hope all this helps. Remember, TALK TO YOUR DRILLER!!!!
James C. Jones
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Chester, Va.

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