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BIGJOEPAPA727

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Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« on: September 22, 2008, 11:58:30 AM »
I'm having a problem thus far this winter around the 6th game in house shot tournaments where the heads start frying up and outside of 10 is giving me over reaction. I don't know the specifics, but I throw around 16.5 mph (qubica machines)for a rev rate, I'd make a blind guess at 300+ and I have a slightly low axis tilt.

My question is, is there a ball/drilling/surface prep that can help me get through the heads, control the backend and still carry?

I've tried a Groove Urethane, Neptune, Avalanche Solid,(I think the drilling I threw on it wasn't the best for what I wanted it for), Tropical Storm,  and the Bashes. I just want to see what everyone says about this issue because I'm kinda running out of ideas.

Thanks in advance everyone
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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2008, 05:01:23 PM »
Sir Bigjoepapa727

The best ball for that condition would be the XXXL...

Also you might try not lining up with your shoulders square @ the lanes..

That will help also...


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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2008, 05:14:22 PM »
you could go with something like a scout. put extender on it and put it in a weaker drilling. i used mine this year at junior gold on the short pattern like 35'. it was strong enough to wheel the lane (but i have 450rpms on it) or play outside up the oil. and mine is in a fairly strong drilling 90 degrees.
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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2008, 05:18:30 PM »
well in my case i joined a saturday league thats pretty much desert after 2 games

and im right now practicing the deep inside, maybe my case is even worse, cuz im not bowling on a 40ft ths, im bowling on something close to 34 or 35.

ok, one is deep inside, the other is my straight game, using something very smooth, i'll pop it off on the left side from 5 to 13 board straight down to the brooklyn side. since the left side always has some oil, the shot should be consistent and will depend on ur luck and accuracy.
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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2008, 11:15:56 AM »
My experience with the XXXL on conditions like that is where you can have an easy time hitting the pocket with excellent control, you'll struggle with carrying the corner pin or sometimes even the 5 pin, heh. But at least you'll be hitting the pocket! High flush or bust basically. It wont splash pins around on light hits.

BTM's chart lists the MoRich Mojave OFF the chart on the weak side. Looks like something to consider.
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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2008, 12:42:01 PM »
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My experience with the XXXL on conditions like that is where you can have an easy time hitting the pocket with excellent control, you'll struggle with carrying the corner pin or sometimes even the 5 pin, heh. But at least you'll be hitting the pocket! High flush or bust basically. It wont splash pins around on light hits.

BTM's chart lists the MoRich Mojave OFF the chart on the weak side. Looks like something to consider.
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I was really looking at the MoJave with a pin close or on my axis layout, but I did not pull the trigger because of the price tag haha, I'd need to consider the options first.
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Mark T. Trgovac

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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2008, 01:06:50 PM »
If you are looking at the pin close to axis or on PAP layout, you will want to watch where you track. If you track close to your thumb this kind of layout can cause you to thumb over your thumb.

I would try something with a weak reactive cover and a real long pin. The Link is a great ball for this. Something pin out that pushes a blem so you can put the pin on your val to help it be smooth on the backend but far from you PAP so it still helps it push through the heads. The long pin will help you be able to kick the cg closer to your center of grip that way you can limit how big or even if you need a weight hole. When it comes to weaker equipment like that you dont want to alter the core shape anymore then you have to.
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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2008, 09:42:56 PM »
Here is something different. I laid out a Brunswick pearl Avalanche with about a 2 1/2" pin to cg. Put the pin below the ring finger and the cg above and a little right of the ring finger. The guy who throws it gets a lot on the ball, and this ball goes forever, with a very smooth reaction on the backend.It has better carry than the other dry lanes balls that he has{Ebonite Tornado and Storm Crossfire{?}, both drilled pin above fingers} and goes longer than either.I am sure this would work with any other weaker, pearled ball.
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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2008, 05:12:05 AM »
Smer, where is the wt. hole. Wouldn't this be too much finger wt. would explaing the extra length.
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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2008, 06:32:55 AM »
Hand position?
Ever try coming straight up the back? Take away the revs, move right, and let the ball just roll up into the pocket. VERY effective......
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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2008, 06:51:13 AM »
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If you are looking at the pin close to axis or on PAP layout, you will want to watch where you track. If you track close to your thumb this kind of layout can cause you to thumb over your thumb.

I would try something with a weak reactive cover and a real long pin. The Link is a great ball for this. Something pin out that pushes a blem so you can put the pin on your val to help it be smooth on the backend but far from you PAP so it still helps it push through the heads. The long pin will help you be able to kick the cg closer to your center of grip that way you can limit how big or even if you need a weight hole. When it comes to weaker equipment like that you dont want to alter the core shape anymore then you have to.
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This sounds like something I should look into. I've drilled equipment with the pin under and to the left of my middle finger (I'm a righty) and did not track over the thumb, so I should be fine with that.

I'm working on developing different hand positions and releases too, I'm experementing with that.

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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2008, 10:44:05 AM »
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If you are looking at the pin close to axis or on PAP layout, you will want to watch where you track. If you track close to your thumb this kind of layout can cause you to thumb over your thumb.

I would try something with a weak reactive cover and a real long pin. The Link is a great ball for this. Something pin out that pushes a blem so you can put the pin on your val to help it be smooth on the backend but far from you PAP so it still helps it push through the heads. The long pin will help you be able to kick the cg closer to your center of grip that way you can limit how big or even if you need a weight hole. When it comes to weaker equipment like that you dont want to alter the core shape anymore then you have to.
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This sounds like something I should look into. I've drilled equipment with the pin under and to the left of my middle finger (I'm a righty) and did not track over the thumb, so I should be fine with that.

I'm working on developing different hand positions and releases too, I'm experementing with that.

Edited on 9/25/2008 6:54 AM


The clipping of the thumb would happen because you already track close to your thumb. The closer a person who tracks close to the thumbs puts the pin to there PAP, they can start to clip. This is the oppisit for someone who tracks high. The further they go from PAP the better the chance for them to clip there fingers. If you have taken your pin left of middle and have been fine this says you track even or closer to your thumb. This is a safe spot for pin positions for guys who track close to the thumb. So do watch if you go close to PAP.
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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2008, 02:53:53 PM »
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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2008, 03:06:15 PM »
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I got a ball with very low top weight, 2 oz. at most. Then drilled the fingers deeper to take out the excess weight. Tried to leave as close to 1 oz. finger weight as I could for the lengh factor. Side weight was not a factor as the cg was fairly close to the middle of the grip. Ball is within the weight limits.If it would have needed a balance hole I would have had to check  with someone on the best place to put it. Not sure how the position of the balance hole would affect a ball drilled in this way.



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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2008, 12:28:59 AM »
By the time the league before ours is done there is not much left on the lanes. Everybody struggles to get to the pocket.

My friend is destroying pins with his Lane #1 Bullet. Right up the 3rd arrow and into the pocket.

The ball is discontinued. but look around and they are out there (new and used).  I just bought one from a user on this board.  I get it tomorrow and can't wait to drill it up and try it out!
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Re: Dry lanes and 8+ game tournament help
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2008, 12:45:29 AM »
Hey, have you looked into the roto grip pluto, I know the neptune is a nice weaker pearl, but since you already tried that, then the pluto might just work. If you do decide on trying the pluto, then getting one with a 4 inch pin or so and doing a straight up label drill with pin high and putting some polish on the pluto might work, just my two cents


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