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Jorge300

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Dry Lanes - ball selection/layout help
« on: March 03, 2009, 01:34:15 AM »
Ok everyone, here is what I have:

I bowl a second shift scratch league. We bowl after a handicap mixed league, where there is a total mixture of bowlers, some pretty good, down to people throwing plastic and averaging in the 120's. So we usually have no idea what we are going to get to start with. But by game 3 we normally end up with lanes that are toasted from the track out with an out of bounds outside 5. I used to have little trouble with these lanes, but last year I took a lesson from Mike Jasnau at Nationals. He made some changes in my game that have brought my speed down and increased my revs slightly, and now I am having major issues. My current speed is about 18.5 MPH, with a Rev rate of about 400, and I am RH. I tired drilling a Hy-Road with s very small Pin to PAP distance (1.5 - 2") thinking that it would control the backend motion better but still have some pop left. It appears that this is too strong a ball to try this, or my thinking was incorrect. What seems to be happening is, if I get the ball right at all, it just hooks to much and goes high. But my speed is still too fast to try to play very deep, as the ball won't turn the corner.

What I am looking for is some recommendations on a ball to try and/or a drilling to try. I can't afford to keep buying balls and trying different things, so I am hopeful that there will be some good ideas from the collective knowledge of the BR community that I can leverage off of to try and improve my scores on shots like this. Also, thinking about D/S at Nationals, which is still a few months away, but getting closer everyday.

Let me say Thank You in advance for your help.
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Re: Dry Lanes - ball selection/layout help
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2009, 09:58:47 AM »
Looking in your profile it says that you have "2 Cells"...have you tried either when you move in deeper to help out with the HyRoad not recovering enough?  

I think the issue you have with moving Right is the ball's coverstock being too strong to allow you to stand closer / on top of the track.  Maybe shelling down to a Street Rod would be your answer to moving right.

Still like the thought of moving in more with a strong ball though...
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Re: Dry Lanes - ball selection/layout help
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2009, 10:04:45 AM »
Without knowing your PAP it is hard to give a recommendation, but I'd suggest an entry level ball, something cheap and mild. Go for low TW and lower pin distance, and put the pin under the fingers, e. g. with a 5-5.5" pin to PAP distance and the CG stacked. Brusnwick's Avalanches also make a good basis.
Yields a very mild and controllable reaction in late games and should allow you to play just inside of the out-of-bound area with your hand and speed. A friend of mine had a Power Groove with such a setup, and while it did not see often use, it was very effective when the lane called for it.
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Re: Dry Lanes - ball selection/layout help
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2009, 10:10:18 AM »
I have a lot of experience with this issue lately.  I bowl in a second shift shot on thursdays at 8pm so not only do we hit a second shift but we're hitting very late oil.

In order to compensate for the drier conditions I have purchased and tried the following:

Rotogrip Neptune
Hammer Razyr
Rotogrip Pluto
Lane #1 XXXL Starburst (plastic with core)

Each of these balls, even the plastic, still hooks out of the house.  I have discovered this:

If you bowl on a burnt second shift shot, there is no such thing as a "light oil" ball.  The issue is that there literally is NO oil left on the lane between the 8-5 boards.  This means that ANY surface, regardless of what it is made of, is going to turn if you have revs on the ball.  It's basically just the friction of an object meeting friction of another object.  The reason I'm stressing this is because I belive that too many people today are buying a "light oil" ball and not getting what they really wanted out of it.  Today's light oil balls are really meant for shorter patterns, or standard patterns with a lighter mix.  The shot that I have is neither that short, nor a normal length.  It's just flat out dry.

The most success I've been having lately on these drier shots involved the following:

-Increased backswing which increases my speed slightly
-Start with my hand closer to the 1 oclock position with my thumb which prevents me from over turning the ball
-Increase my foot speed slightly

The issue is that you need to get the ball passed the burnt part of the lane around 35 feet.  If you can get the ball to 40-45 then generally you'll be able to control the back end a little more.  With completely dry and fried lanes the only way to do that is speed, loft, or moving way inside.  Unfortunately because it's a standard house shot I'm betting that there are too many units left in the middle of the lane for you to move as deep as you need to and still get it out to the 5 board.  So speed and loft may be your only choice.

In the end, I learned I shouldn't waste money on a light oil ball for that type of shot.  The light oil ball will hook as much as my heavy oil ball if there is no oil left whatsoever.

Hope this helps a little bit, at least think about it and try a couple of the things to see if they make a difference.

Jorge300

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Re: Dry Lanes - ball selection/layout help
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2009, 10:11:01 AM »
Chris,
    Thanks for your input. I normally don't carry the Cells with me for league, they have traditionally been too strong. One option though that I didn't think of is I have a Resurgence that might work. It is still in the OOB finsih which is 1000 abralon. I might put that in the bag and give it a try somenight. Thanks.

Dizzy and Inside, thanks for your insights as well. Some things to think about.
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Edited on 3/3/2009 11:12 AM
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Re: Dry Lanes - ball selection/layout help
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2009, 04:27:06 PM »
i have a pin axis deuce(dull) and a domination 1.5'' pin...  there both awsome for me on dry/burnt head lanes.   neither one gets much use but have been life savers tho....   LOL

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Re: Dry Lanes - ball selection/layout help
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2009, 05:05:17 PM »
i have a blue vibe in a 2" pin-PAP but im a bit more rev dominant than you and it works for me so im thinkin if play straighter than it will work for you
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Re: Dry Lanes - ball selection/layout help
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 06:27:47 PM »
Neptune!!!
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