Author Topic: Carrydown Question For All (Read 3056 times)

FutureHallOFamer · « **on:** January 13, 2004, 08:54:05 AM »

Just wanted your opinion of what to do with carrydown. The center I bowl most of my leagues at is a fairly high friction wood house. Normally the shot is a regular house shot and you can play just about anywhere with good results. Just about any coverstock will do also, depending on how you play the lanes. BUT. After a game or two you will definately see carrydown! EVERYTHING stops hooking and I usually move a little right, slow down, and pray I don't start wrapping tens. So what (in your opinion) is the right move? What kind of ball change, more/less aggressive? slower faster speed? Move around? WHAT???
Something to think about.
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Lefty210 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2004, 12:27:56 AM »

Well it all depends on how the lanes are playing what I do when carrydown hits. If I am on a basic block shot I move towards the wall and go with a bowl for more length. Ultimately coming off the wall I am going to gain more angle into the hole. Hopefully I can kick the 7 and grind it out until the lanes transition again. If I am on a tougher shot then I opt to go to a ball that reacts similar, but with more surface, to the ball I was using to control the pocket before carrydown hits.
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TwoFourEightNineNine · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2004, 11:35:06 AM »

I was thinking... since Bill bowls on a wood surface, it is possible that the heads are drying out, and then his balls are rolling out too early giving that look that there might be carrydown when there really isn't any carrydown.

Also, if Bill is a straighter player and the majority of bowlers with you are those who can hoop it from deep inside, carrydown will always be an issue as those who are playing deep can create hang to the right. If that is the issue, play your spot with a dull solid reactive/particle ball early, then it will open up for you. Then, can you can play with a weaker ball or use that same ball and move in.

Again i have to really see this in person.

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T-GOD · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2004, 04:34:28 PM »

What usually works is to move more left and throw more right. By throwing it more to the right, you're out past where the carrydown is, hitting more dry boards outside. Most of the pro's play the lanes this way. Of course, you'll need some hand to cover all those boards. =:^D

TECH SUPPORT · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2004, 05:06:48 PM »

How about if you start hitting carry down on a reverse block that is setting up inside on you from the dumb ARSES that bowled thier before you playing the lanes wrong.I went to a tourney the other night 4 game calcuta sweeper where you move pairs every game.I start off ok 230ish and happen to get behind some real winners that were trying to play the OB.These guys have nevered bowled on this type of shot and were realy screwing it up for others that had to follow them."This kind of thing also happens in regionals all the time".They were trying to point the ball to the pocket instead of trying to find the friction they were pushing the oil inside all the way from the 1 board to the 16 board.I had 27 at the arrows to 16-17 at the pocket and that was it.The pocket was more less my break point.Needless to say I shot high 190's after the first game and 192 was my low because of these people that had no clue to what to do.

We see the newbies all the time that bowl thier first regional mess the shot up for others because they just dont know any better.It makes it tuff when you have to follow these type of bowlers.
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Strider · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2004, 12:59:49 AM »

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How about if you start hitting carry down on a reverse block that is setting up inside on you from the dumb ARSES that bowled thier before you playing the lanes wrong.I went to a tourney the other night 4 game calcuta sweeper where you move pairs every game.I start off ok 230ish and happen to get behind some real winners that were trying to play the OB.These guys have nevered bowled on this type of shot and were realy screwing it up for others that had to follow them."This kind of thing also happens in regionals all the time".They were trying to point the ball to the pocket instead of trying to find the friction they were pushing the oil inside all the way from the 1 board to the 16 board.I had 27 at the arrows to 16-17 at the pocket and that was it.The pocket was more less my break point.Needless to say I shot high 190's after the first game and 192 was my low because of these people that had no clue to what to do.

We see the newbies all the time that bowl thier first regional mess the shot up for others because they just dont know any better.It makes it tuff when you have to follow these type of bowlers.
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I'm not sure if I can find any sympathy. The other bowlers owe you nothing. I could understand if it was a team event and some of your own guys were "screwing up" the oil, but these guys paid their money and were trying what they thought would help them score the best. Either that or they didn't have enough offense and tried to play defense, who knows. If I didn't bring something that worked well on a reverse block, I'd try the OOB with a strong ball. Maybe I'm an idiot, but the reverse blocks I've seen have been VERY dry in the middle. A low level tweener might be able to hit the pocket from DEEP inside, but he'll never carry with the heavy handed guys.
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MI 2 AZ · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2004, 09:14:28 AM »

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These guys have nevered bowled on this type of shot and were realy screwing it up for others that had to follow them.

Do the more experienced tournament bowlers offer advise to the 'newbies' so that they will not mess up the lanes? Probably not, since it is for money.

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TECH SUPPORT · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2004, 11:56:28 AM »

Ahh yes the noobs can realy make you scratch your head at times.

Lets see whos first.

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I'm not sure if I can find any sympathy. The other bowlers owe you nothing. I could understand if it was a team event and some of your own guys were "screwing up" the oil, but these guys paid their money and were trying what they thought would help them score the best. Either that or they didn't have enough offense and tried to play defense, who knows. If I didn't bring something that worked well on a reverse block, I'd try the OOB with a strong ball. Maybe I'm an idiot, but the reverse blocks I've seen have been VERY dry in the middle. A low level tweener might be able to hit the pocket from DEEP inside, but he'll never carry with the heavy handed guys.
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Where in my post did I say they owed me something, let me see NO WHERE

.I understand they paid thier money and I paid mine I was asking for advice too. I thought that this was what the post was about "carry down". I must of replied in the wrong topic.Thier is variations of reverse blocks and a miss conception is that they are dry inside.Not true alot of time you will find the same units of oil have been applied to the middle as usaul but they have added more to the outside or ran the out sides forward and backwards.I dont try to offend people when it comes to bowling.It is pretty much a given that there will always be new bowlers to tounys and the like but the first thing I learned was watch those that are scoreing and how they are scoring.You dont have to swing the ball or hook it alot you just have to find the angle and friction at the right point on the lane.I ended up not having the best shot but it was a consistant shot that got me money.

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Do the more experienced tournament bowlers offer advise to the 'newbies' so that they will not mess up the lanes? Probably not, since it is for money

Its not cut throat or at least I'm not.I offer advice only when solicited.People can get down right mad if you try to help and they dont want any.Some people have the saying that they paid for thier experience by learning and donating to others in tournys.

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Hey, TECH SUPPORT, if the newbies knew what they were doing, wouldn't that make it harder to beat them?

Yep the never ending cycle they donate.Then I am right behind them donating also

In the end I guess I got miss understood I was making a comment and asking for advice at the same time.I was making a comment about how someone can make the lanes tougher than what they need be. If they just kept thier eyes open and could catch a clue it they would learn just like I did.
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FutureHallOFamer · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2004, 12:41:53 PM »

Thanks for all the input. I don't think there is one RIGHT answer. It all depends on what kind of player you are (i am a student of the game and am getting pretty good at manipulating the ball to roll how, and where, I want it to), and how the lanes are breaking down for you. No matter what the shot is I have always found the best way to carry is to get the ball to roll into the pocket, not hook into the pocket. Take a look at Norm Duke. He is A master at this. It doesn't matter how he is playing the lanes his ball always rolls into the pocket. Anyways uhh back to topic It is sometimes very difficult to tell when you are hitting carrydown, or if the ball is just rolling out. As after a couple of games, when the lanes dry out, if you don't move left everything will start to roll out early.
Hey TECH, I definately see where you are coming from. I bowl a sport shot league at a different, much harder house. It is match play format where we change lanes after every game, then have a stepladder finals. The league manager says it is the same sport shot every week, but it is never the same. There is about 25 other much less experienced, uhhh, bowlers, trying to play however and wherever they want which makes an absolute MESS of the lanes. If you manage to average 200 you are considered a god for that week. I know my league is much lower stakes than what you are talking about, but still VERY aggravating.
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Strider · « **Reply #9 on:** January 15, 2004, 02:45:54 PM »

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In the end I guess I got miss understood I was making a comment and asking for advice at the same time.I was making a comment about how someone can make the lanes tougher than what they need be. If they just kept thier eyes open and could catch a clue it they would learn just like I did.
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Sorry, I just hijacked the topic a bit. Your comments did provide information about carrydown while mine did not.

Like others have said, there are a lot of ways of attacking it, but there is no universal answer. I usually will start by squaring up more. If that doesn't work, I'll try a slightly more aggressive ball and move a little in looking for more oil.

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jimensminger · « **Reply #10 on:** January 15, 2004, 02:55:32 PM »

put down the skid/flip and pick up the mid-lane arcing ball,..roll into the pocket.
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TECH SUPPORT · « **Reply #11 on:** January 15, 2004, 04:51:57 PM »

jimensminger
Hind sight being what it is I know better than to do what I did when I was playing that reverse block.I was close behind the leaders and didn't want to move in the grave yard and cost me a chance of cashing or winning if thier shot went away.I choose to stick it out where I was playing hoping it would get better the next game or two.I forget sometimes how fast things can happen and the game is all of a sudden over and you are left wondering what might have been.I am happy I cashed but then I wonder what might have happened if I had moved.I figured you go in with a plan of attack and work around that basic plan.I had a buddy of mine that pretty much convinced me to stay where I was on the lane because his shot was erratic outside in the ob.I chalk it up to a learning experience that I got paid for.

FUTURE I know the best is yet to come the more comfortable you feel on tough shots or the more you see them the better you can execute.
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