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mumzie

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How long "should" it take a 4 person mixed team to bowl?
« on: December 04, 2008, 03:39:51 PM »
We have a bit of an issue with our league - it kinda came to a head tonight. Our league finishes practice and starts bowling at 6:40. The house says it allows 10 minutes per game per bowler - so 4 bowlers/lane X 3 games X 10 minutes per game is 2 hours per 3 games. We have a league before us, so once in a while we'll start late. We have a league after us that has NO manners, and has been told they start practice at 8:50. The later league has filed a protest against our league with our president and with the center. Our league is being treated as the bad guy here.

How much time does your center allow you to bowl 3 games?

Mind you - this league is a mixed league, lower average bowlers - not a whole lot of strikes. Therefore, lots of 2nd balls. Highest average in the league is 198...

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Re: How long "should" it take a 4 person mixed team to bowl?
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2008, 12:32:22 PM »
Did the math a little differently. In most league environments that have a relaxed (but not slow) pace, a pair with two full, five-person teams generally finishes about a game an hour (180 minutes). Four people would be 80% (4/5) of that or 144 minutes about 2 hours 25 minutes.

At nationals, the ten bowlers per pair are given 2 hours and 20 minutes to finish three games (140 minutes) which is easily accomplished when everyone is ready to bowl when it is their turn and 1 lane courtesy is observed. While this isn't a rushed pace, it is efficient. Doing the same math 80% (4/5) of 140 minutes is 112 minutes or 1 hour and 52 minutes.

Splitting the difference between the two, it should not be unreasonable to expect a 4-person team to finish three games in 2 hours and 10 minutes.
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Re: How long "should" it take a 4 person mixed team to bowl?
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2008, 12:45:25 PM »
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I see teams wait for the anchor to bowl before the same teams first man takes the lane....this is dumb IMO.

It's another symptom of the ME generation...it's all about me.....if it takes an extra 20 mins  to bowl oh well screw the rest of you.



For some it has nothing to do with "ME".  If every member of your team strikes and we are only on the 3rd bowler, why can't I wait until the anchor is up(not finished, just up?).  It keeps the "pace" if you will...  I don't like the "bowl, bowl...wait 10 minutes"  I'd much rather have a consistent wait between shots....and deal with any scoring issues/mechanical failures if that arises.
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Re: How long "should" it take a 4 person mixed team to bowl?
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2008, 12:51:59 PM »
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Did the math a little differently. In most league environments that have a relaxed (but not slow) pace, a pair with two full, five-person teams generally finishes about a game an hour (180 minutes). Four people would be 80% (4/5) of that or 144 minutes about 2 hours 25 minutes.

At nationals, the ten bowlers per pair are given 2 hours and 20 minutes to finish three games (140 minutes) which is easily accomplished when everyone is ready to bowl when it is their turn and 1 lane courtesy is observed. While this isn't a rushed pace, it is efficient. Doing the same math 80% (4/5) of 140 minutes is 112 minutes or 1 hour and 52 minutes.

Splitting the difference between the two, it should not be unreasonable to expect a 4-person team to finish three games in 2 hours and 10 minutes.
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Re: How long "should" it take a 4 person mixed team to bowl?
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2008, 12:55:18 PM »
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In a Mixed league where the house expects you to go to the bar for drinks.. HA!!!  Not a chance...


Thus the reason why there is a relaxed pace comparison and tournament comparison. If it is taking your five person team more than 3 hours to finish 3 games because of the bar, the lanes need to get you a waitress! (or waiter) otherwise the house is losing money.

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Bill Thomas

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Re: How long "should" it take a 4 person mixed team to bowl?
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2008, 03:16:00 PM »
What's a second shift?  Haven't seen one in our area in at least 10 years.

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Re: How long "should" it take a 4 person mixed team to bowl?
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2008, 06:46:01 PM »
Last year I was the president of a doubles league at the Suncoast in Las
Vegas on Thursday night.  We built the league up from 14 teams to 38.  How-
ever the management would do nothing to get the league in front of us to
get moving and finish at a reasonable time.  They were a drinking league and
brought in more money for the house than our league.  Despite many protests
nothing was done and we never got on the lanes before 9:20.  This year the
same doubles league has 16 teams.

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Re: How long "should" it take a 4 person mixed team to bowl?
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2008, 07:20:49 PM »
mumzie. Is the whole league finishing late and about the same time or is it just 2 or 3 teams? If the whole league is taking over the alloted time of 2 hrs and 10 minutes than obviously it's not enough time. If it's just a few teams than they should pick up the pace.

Don't let anyone bully your league around. You pay the same lineage as the league after you and you have the right to bowl at a normal pace with no outside pressures to finish faster.

My house gives the 4 man mixed league that bowls before us 2 hrs and 40 minutes.
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mumzie

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Re: How long "should" it take a 4 person mixed team to bowl?
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2008, 08:45:04 PM »
It's usually a few teams - we're only a 14 team league - and I personally think that some of the bowlers are just more into the drinking and social aspects than they "should" be...

But - nonetheless - everyone seems to agree that the two hour window is just too short. I'm not suggesting the house offer 3 hours - or even 2 and a half. I wish the center would listen to us. The league before us is fairly new - they've only been there 2 years or so. The league after us is a beer/free ball league - always new faces every year. What really gripes me is that our end of the house (12 pair) has the "couches" and party lanes - the other 24 lanes has "regular" seating. The early league only bowls on "our" end of the house - the late leagues fill 2/3 of the house, but of course, the party league wants the party lanes. If they put the league after us on the high end of the house, there would only be two shifts on each end - and no one would be getting pushed too far out of shape.
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Re: How long "should" it take a 4 person mixed team to bowl?
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2008, 11:39:13 AM »
damn you guys bowl slow lol.....  

My monday nite 4 man league is suppose to start @ 845pm but rarely does, and is generally done by 11pm...  I think the latest we got done bowling was 1130pm, and that was once.  

Even the college black light drinking league i bowl on, starts @ 9pm and gets done by 11:15pm.  

My old 5man league started @ 6pm, and was generally done by 845pm...
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