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squirrelywrath1

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Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« on: August 21, 2012, 08:07:05 PM »
On this classic Blue Hammer, take a look at pictures #2 & #3 and see if you notice what's wrong.    Unless that ball is horribly mis-marked, the driller should be shot, LOL!

Clicky:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/16LBS-BLUE-HAMMER-FAL-VINTAGE-BOWLING-BALL-/271036491089?pt=Bowling&hash=item3f1b08a551

 

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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2012, 08:12:34 PM »
That is a funny looking drilling if it isn't mis-marked. 

In edit...  CG no matter?  lol

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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2012, 08:18:12 PM »
Pin no mattah either.

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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2012, 09:34:44 PM »
Not saying this is what he did, but I can remember some guys doing this to get bottom weight in the ball.

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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2012, 11:04:40 PM »
not 100% sure but it looks like it could have been an axis weighting gone horribly wrong....
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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2012, 11:47:10 PM »
Lefty full roller 10 1/2" pin layout.  I think ebonite and visionary both have the layout in their vault.  Its basically a high flare layout for a full roller.  It looks to be missing the 3" x hole 1 1/2" from the pin to c.g.

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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2012, 01:36:31 AM »
It doesn't matter where the holes are put because "THIS BALL IS HIGHLY VALUED AS THE BALL OF THE CENTURY."

Any ball that good can probably strike while still on the ball return... I used to have the Turquoise Hammer way back when, and although it was popular, I'm not sure how any ball gets "ball of the century".


« Last Edit: August 22, 2012, 01:38:34 AM by notclay »

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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2012, 06:07:15 AM »
DP3, please explain further...  I cannot fathom how this could possibly weigh up legal on the dodo scale as it is.

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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2012, 07:30:57 AM »
...and can you treat a 0" pin the same as a very long pin (7-8") by "flipping" the pin/cg to the bottom of the ball?

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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 08:08:25 AM »
Not more than three ounces difference between the top half of the ball (finger hole
side) and the bottom half (side opposite the finger holes).


I would guess the ball was illegal since the finger hole side took out around 2.5-3oz of weight from the side of the ball opposite the cg and the ball had around 1-4ozs of top weight marked at the cg. So the ball likely has around 4-6ozs bottom weight.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2012, 09:56:07 AM »
They used to drill Hammers like this up in the 80's to have as much bottom weight as they could get.

Why?

There were tournaments back then that didn't go by the ABC rules, and you could use whatever you wanted.   Some of these tournaments had so much oil on the lanes you could rooster tail the oil.

Guys would take there hammers and put as much bottom weight in the ball to get it to roll early and then make it as dull. 

My guess is this was one of those type of balls.

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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2012, 11:00:40 AM »
Technically its not a screw up and DP3 is correct. Hadn't seen this layout in a while. The pin of the bowling ball is on both sides, (low rg axis). It goes through the ball like a rod. They just so happen to spin it on one side and that's how it came up so that's where they drilled the pin. Now to the layout, the layout is a high flare layout that ebo and visionary used to use. Had it explained to me a while back but don't remember the steps. Technically, you could find the pin and  mb on the other side of the ball, mark it, drill it, and have the same reaction.
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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2012, 04:34:50 PM »
...thanks JJ  ;D

Also you have to measure a line from the pin through the c.g. and to the center of the grip.  That distance should be 10/12 "

A weight hole is then added around the c.g. area to increase diff and get the bottom weight under 3oz.  Warning, the ball must be thrown first to see where the flare rings are so the weigh hole isn't drilled in the track. 

I used this layout a lot for a 450rpm full roller that I used to drill for and this finally gave him that hockey stick motion from inside where the typical full roller layouts tend to lose angle as you move inside when they break down. 

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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2012, 05:02:15 PM »
It could be a low top weight ball. I have had several balls with 0 to 1 oz top weight before drilling. If the guy is no grips no slugs and shallow holes it is easy to keep within usbc guidelines of 3 oz bottom weight.

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Re: Ebay funny. Ball drilling screw up?
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2012, 05:39:41 PM »
Usually when the pin is out say 8+ inches you stay with the marked cg and draw a line around the ball to find where the pseudo pin would continue through the ball to the other side and mark it. Usually putting the pseudo pin somewhere much closer to the cg and thus easier to drill.

Doing this with the cg does not put top weight on the other side of the ball. So even if the ball has 1oz top weight(very unlikely) then when you drill the holes on the other side taking weight out you've now created a ball with easily 3+ ozs of bottom weight. This ball is not legal for sanctioned league use at that point. Since the ball is not drilled with finger inserts there is a slight chance if the fingers are drilled shallow and the ball had 1oz of top weight or less it would stay under the guideline of being legal.

If you were trying to put a lot of weight on one half of the ball it would be much easier to find a ball with a high top weight(4ozs) and drill the finger and thumb holes very shallow giving you 2.5-3 ozs of top weight.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2012, 05:41:56 PM by kidlost2000 »
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.