Post by: BrunsWolf on March 05, 2007, 12:54:48 PM
I suggested that we find his PAP, then go 5.5" from PAP over the bridge with the CG on the negitive side to smooth the breakpoint(the guy was a cranker so the 5.5 would be ok)
I realize that i'm only 17 but i know that i know alot more than my driller ever will. i have to map out my own stuff to take to him. now thats not saying he's not a good driller, he just doesn't know layouts.
well, after my input, my driller then goes off on the fact that i'm a "17 yr. old smarta** little b***h" right in front of the customer and my parents. it didn't stop there but i'll leave out the rest (lets just say my parents had a comeback or two).
i do realize that my driller is "old school" in the fact that "you can't go wrong with label" but i was trying to help out this customer with what i know, so that he might return again (needless to say, i won't). however, with this rant, he lost at least one very worthy customer (i'll still go to the same shop, but work with the other driller).
so...what are your thoughts on the matter????
was i right to add my 2 cents in order to help someone???
was my driller right to say that just because of my age that he knows more than me???
what would you have done if you were me or the driller?????????
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Post by: thecrapshoveler on March 05, 2007, 09:01:05 PM
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Post by: Raven829 on March 05, 2007, 09:03:28 PM
Don
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Post by: Aloarjr810 on March 05, 2007, 09:53:47 PM
or the drillers way etc?
Post by: PurplePeopleEater on March 05, 2007, 10:10:02 PM
Post by: scotts33 on March 05, 2007, 10:13:59 PM
Get the person aside and don't even offer your opinion just say I think you should get another pro's opinion.
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Post by: cficare068 on March 06, 2007, 02:35:52 AM
Post by: charlest on March 06, 2007, 04:14:31 AM
Besides the fact that, although you probably have learned more and have that information available to help those who want it, for most people, bowlers included, you have to prove that you know what you're talking about, before people will listen and believe you.
If you're 17 years old, you probably look like you're 17. Given that, until people are shown by some demonstration or someone they know says you know what you're talking about, what do you think will happen when you tell a "supposed" expert that they are wrong in public??
For future refernece, I don't think you should try to get anything drilled by that shop any more.
Regarding the Toxic and a Black Widow: I don't know if any drill of a Toxic will get both more length AND less backend out of it than a BW. Might need to manipulate a Pure Hammer, a Vibe or a Doom to do that.
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Post by: cyzey on March 06, 2007, 05:23:36 AM
Post by: Necromancer on March 06, 2007, 06:27:04 AM
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on March 06, 2007, 06:40:13 AM
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Post by: SirAshley on March 06, 2007, 09:07:28 AM
I'm also on your side because I have delt with old-school drillers before and guess what, that's exactly why I don't go there anymore. I have had my last dozen or so balls punched from the same shop and the reason is, it's because they work with me. The Old-school guys tend to get royally offended if you second guess their drilling.
At the end of the day, you were trying to help his customer, NOT HIM... His answer should have been, "Well let's see you throw a few balls and we'll determine what's best". I have chimed in numerous times when in my pro-shop, usually like, "I've seen this guy throw and perhaps an Envy would more fit his style and here's why...."Usually my driller will respond with "If that's your style, perhaps that ball may work best for you and here are some others that may work well also"... My advice to you is, Don't work with someone who is lazy, because that's what it sounds like. Also, it's unprofessional to criticize a customer in front of another customer the way that he did. He could have just as easily have said "Thanks for the advice man, but I think this will work best because...." Anyway, I'd take my business elsewhere.
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I got my second 900 last week while pre-bowling. NOW, prove that I didn't do it! Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on March 06, 2007, 09:09:56 AM
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Also, it's unprofessional to criticize a customer in front of another customer the way that he did. He could have just as easily have said "Thanks for the advice man, but I think this will work best because...." Anyway, I'd take my business elsewhere.
Yeah that's true too.
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Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on March 06, 2007, 09:17:52 AM
You were wrong in the fact you got into your drillers way and told him he was wrong basically. At the same time, he needs to be thankful because you did something right. You saved his butt.
If that customer would have walked out and not been happy with the drilling or the layout, then he would have complained and told one person who would have told another and that man could lose alot of business like that. You saved him business by chiming in.
I also do agree that he was wrong in saying what he said to you in front of the customer no less your parents dude. Im suprised your father didnt lay his as* out lol.
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Post by: chitown on March 06, 2007, 12:56:48 PM
Putting the CG negative a small amount on the TOXIC is not going to smooth it out. It's really not.
You have to understand this is his shop not yours. For you to come into his business and tell him how to layout out a bowling ball is going to be an insult. Your best bet is to just not go into his shop anymore. There you go problem solved.
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Post by: BrunsWolf on March 06, 2007, 01:51:45 PM
i do realize that i may have crossed the line by going against a driller in his own shop. however, i didn't, in no way shape or from, mean to sound insulting to the driller by ANY means. i've known him for a while and he can cut 3 holes in a ball like nobody's business (fit is always perfect) but i was just trying to help out the customer and i don't feel that i "worded my words" in a way to sound insulting, but as a friendly suggestion to the customer. i never said "...dont listen to him, do this instead..." or implied it in the least. it was like a "since we don't know your PAP, its kinda hard to tell how that will work for you even though it could be great for you, in that case, why dont we find your PAP and maybe think about a layout of...."
I NEVER TOLD THE DRILLER HE WAS WRONG OR AN IDIOT, I ONLY MADE A SMALL SUGGESTION!
I repect the fact that it is his shop, NOT MINE, but for all i know, he was trying to get another $60 out of the guy buy making him redrill it or even buy another ball. thats just the kind of owner he is (and i've known him long enough to realize it). for example, one kid in my league is needing his first reactive ball, instead of a tropical or a groove, he's trying to sell a G-force to a 13 yr. old (while i understand that it will hook, its not what the child needs at that high price of an investment)
To end the story for some of you, the customer told the driller that he would think about the layout and come back. i don't know what happened after that
Please, keep your thoughts coming
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Edited on 3/6/2007 2:52 PM