With all the new rules, no weight holes, no cleaners ect….It seems to me that USBC is totally ignoring the real issue. Walled up house shots and no control over the shot put out by the proprietors. I know this has been discussed before but I am all for setting up different levels of leagues with easy to harder to sport shots.

I have been bowling for 20 + years and have seen the advancements in technology. I agree the equipment has advanced signifigantly but so has the ability of modern lane machines to put down a very precise shot. I bowled on a high $ league 3 years ago that was 50 ft and flat. I could not get a Hyper cell to wrinkle on this.

I think the USBC needs to concentrate on this area first. Opinions?

People show up to league with 6 balls for the same reason 18 handicap golfers buy $500 drivers.  Its easier to try to buy a game than practice or take lessons

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I propose something no one has really mentioned. Maybe dumbing down the equipment and layouts might actually increase averages despite the lane conditions in league bowling. I feel most bowler's got sold on the "magic ball" and "magic layout" when all you really need is a consistent reacting ball with a cover matched to the volume of oil.
Instead of dragging 8-10 bowling balls to league with you trying to decide which one has the right programing drilled into it,bring 3 that will keep you in the pocket and adjust to work the pocket.
I respect and admire the guys who use one or two balls the whole season and average high all season compared to the high average guys who have to drag 8-10 balls with them to league. and the bowler's who make more with less were stroker's.

The guys that bring 8-10 to league aren't that good, unless you're bowling on a unknown sport shot that changes every week.

Show me the donkey bringing 8-10 balls to league, for 3 games and I’d bet my life savings this dork averages 188.

Come on man, you know dudes that show up with 2 3 ball rollers to league like the shot is tough. Same dudes are probably still wearing a Cobra or Scorpion.

Edit: Cobra on left hand, Scorpion on right hand.

Oooh, that's fancy.

My beef with the USBC vs BPAA situation is that the USBC is paid by us to govern over what we do as bowlers. But, the BPAA dictates what we bowl on. What exactly is the USBC governing over? 
 On the issue of not wanting harder patterns so we don't have bowlers quit, bowling has been bleeding bowlers for 30 years despite the easy conditions. Why not try something different? Doing the same thing the same way over and over and expecting different results is Einstein's definition of insanity.

What bowlers want for league conditions can be handled in house at any center between the league and the proprietor.  If your league wants a harder condition ask for it.  It's not for usbc to dictate to all leagues that usbc cant enforce in the first place.

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My beef with the USBC vs BPAA situation is that the USBC is paid by us to govern over what we do as bowlers. But, the BPAA dictates what we bowl on. What exactly is the USBC governing over? 
 On the issue of not wanting harder patterns so we don't have bowlers quit, bowling has been bleeding bowlers for 30 years despite the easy conditions. Why not try something different? Doing the same thing the same way over and over and expecting different results is Einstein's definition of insanity.

What bowlers want for league conditions can be handled in house at any center between the league and the proprietor.  If your league wants a harder condition ask for it.  It's not for usbc to dictate to all leagues that usbc cant enforce in the first place.

^this.  BPAA doesn't dictate.  They are much more in tune with market forces than the USBC is.  Customers very much dictate what patterns are out there.   Don't fall for the what I want is what all league bowlers want fallacy.  Customer bleed would be much worse if Bear became the new THS.

The biggest problem with bowling isnt walled up league shots.  If anything most league bowlers are more aware than ever of the difference between  between house shots and tournament conditions.

More troubling to me is the extent to which technology has created the ability for players to over power the environment at the highest level.   The PBA wont even use the Badger pattern anymore because of the way players trash it quickly with super high friction balls.  For years it was understood that long formats were the only way to bring out the cream.  Today we cant create an environment to even run a long format without dressing the lanes every 6 games.

Sorry avabob, but I have to respectfully disagree. After working in a pro shop for over 14 years, most bowlers don't even like to move their feet a board or two. In theory, they think they know the difference, but they do not.

Adapt or get run over. Bowling at the highest level is create friction and throw to it.

I can throw it bad on anything!    

same

But at least give me enough oil to try 1st arrow with something that's not pancake plastic