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splendorlex

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Can't get the corners out from inside...or with any kind of swing
« on: July 17, 2006, 06:40:22 AM »
For my whole bowling life, I've been pretty much an up the boards player.  I throw it straight down the boards anywhere between 5 and 15, usually around 10.  I've just started to learn how putting a bit of a swing on the ball can sometimes be beneficial when everthing up the boards gets too strong.  Sometimes I just can't get deep enough with my feet to keep it on the right side of the rack.  What I was trying to do in practice today was work on swinging the ball just a little.  I tried a couple of different lines with the Doom, one standing with my left foot about 22 and swinging it just a little over 10 out to about 5 before coming back.  I was getting some good reactions out of the ball, and seemingly burying it in the pocket many times, but I just couldn't seem to get the ten out.  I also tried a little deeper line, standing about 30 and throwing the ball over 15 to about 10 before coming back with similar results.  If I tried to swing it further, say over 15 to 5, the ball didn't make it back to the pocket, and hardly turned over at all.  Do I need to make an adjustment to my hand position?  Slow down the speed?  I'm a stroker with low revs, and my pap is 4 1/2 over and 1 up.  Maybe the Doom is the wrong kind of ball for this shot?  I plan to pick up a Pain in the near future.
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Re: Can't get the corners out from inside...or with any kind of swing
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2006, 03:03:56 PM »
Sounds like you're too up the back of the ball with too little axis rotation.
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splendorlex

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Re: Can't get the corners out from inside...or with any kind of swing
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2006, 03:06:56 PM »
I'm using my "normal" hand position, which would be about 45 degrees if directly below the ball is 0 and on the side of the ball is 90.
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Re: Can't get the corners out from inside...or with any kind of swing
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2006, 03:10:39 PM »
Your  adventure in a new line is what I get stuck playing in my league Tuesday nights, almost exactly, especially the out of bounds part.  

I'm not familiar with the DOOM, but when I leave tens, I usually just move 2 boards right on the approach. Seems to kick them out for me. I leave more 8's, 9's then I do 10 pins. Easier to make , too!

Again, not familiar with your  DOOM, but, I my X Factor will not come back to the 1/3 pocket when I screw a shot up. Now, back when I had a Deep Danger Zone drilled for a mid-lane hook , it would come back.  The go long and break stuff I find is alot more sensitive and less forgiving than the more early hooking stuff. However, I leave more solid 8's and 9's then 10's with the long stuff, so , I'll learn to live with it.

You can adjust your hand position by cupping your wrist more , kinda cranker like, and get more revs on the ball. This will increase friction and the ball will bite a bit harder covering more boards.

I always hate speed adjustments cause timing problems usually develop from them. Hand positions are really easy to change and you'd be suprised what you can come up with.


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Re: Can't get the corners out from inside...or with any kind of swing
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2006, 10:20:47 PM »
splendorlex...

How is this ball laid out?  A little different layout may help your cause, depending on what's in it now.
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Re: Can't get the corners out from inside...or with any kind of swing
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2006, 10:26:34 PM »
I have found this to be a problem on occasion with my Fired up. The problem I have is that the move to the 1/3 pocket is so far down the lane that it hasn't really revved up when it hits the pocket. I usually try and play a little dryer earlier to get the ball to move a little sooner.

Another thing, if you want to move it, slow it down a touch, and it might carry those 10's for you.

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Re: Can't get the corners out from inside...or with any kind of swing
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2006, 10:40:44 PM »
Ball drilling can have much effect. When you consistently NOT knock down the 10, then you have an entry angle problem. I try moving my feet 2-3" closer to the foul line when I witness this pin recation, and it helps for a while, creating a different chain reaction.

But back to the subject: a weight hole might help create more hook and therefore entry angle without big change on the ball itself and your release. I do not think that the ball is wrong or that you need another - just have your game checked in a sound pro shop and tell about your problems when playing certain lines.
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Re: Can't get the corners out from inside...or with any kind of swing
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2006, 04:57:25 AM »
As DP3 said you are probably not getting enough side rotation, and using too much speed. From inside (where the oil is on a ths), you don't need as much speed to keep the ball on line as you would playing up the dry on a ths.

Start by holding the ball lower in your stance and letting it fall into the swing, point your index finger to the floor and keep it there through out the swing and feel your ring finger go through the ball at the bottom of the swing this should help get your hand around the ball like you should for an inside line. If you keep your hand on the side of the ball the whole way through the swing you will not create the needed axis tilt to prevent the ball from burning too soon, this works great for playing up the boards when you need more rotation, but from inside you need tilt and rotation and will need to adjust your hand under and around instead of just around.
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Re: Can't get the corners out from inside...or with any kind of swing
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2006, 07:28:52 AM »
While one solution to this pproblem is a change in hand release to get more tilt and roation with the same ball, there are a possible problem for which that may not work: oil pattern + your angle. As you go deeper, which ball you use PLUS which release you use to attack the situation is dependent on what the oil pattern has become (transition) and why you need to go deeper. Are the heads or midlane drying up and has the backend changed at all (carrydown)?

If the midlane is getting dryer, then hand release or a ball change could easily work.

If the midlane is drying and the inside oil pattern has stayed flat, you need to "circle" the oil OR if there's carrydown, then you need a stronger ball with more backend. YOu could also play the shot as closer to a fallback shot and not swing the ball so far; this is a bit trickier.

So, if a hand release  change isn't getting it done, you may need either a stronger ball with more backend or the same ball (Doom) with a flippier type of drill (pin in the 4.5-5" range, placed above the bridge area, with the CG/MB kicked out to insure the ball will make the turn.

In your case, as described so far, either more tilt + more rotation could work or maybe you just need a stronger pearl or particle pearl to make the bigger turn because of your stroker release.

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