Post by: pin-chaser on October 01, 2005, 03:48:22 PM
Then I looked around and noticed something. EVERYONE had entry angles like I have never seen before. It was like the ball went 40' dead straight... starting rev'ing up and then took a left turn at 45' from anywhere I looked.
For many you know, I have not bowled in a couple years and I have been pretty familiar with creating entry angles, but I think the newest round of technology has stepped up the entry angle pace. I am again dissapointed that technolog has raised the bar again. When will it stop. When will the technology be the bowler and not what is in the hand?
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Post by: agroves on October 02, 2005, 03:57:09 AM
I have one ball that flat gets nasty on the backend. It occasionally gets used...
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Post by: novawagonmaster on October 02, 2005, 08:45:20 AM
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Post by: pin-chaser on October 02, 2005, 06:41:08 PM
I am personally just about there. I am trying to bowl again. A couple times per month now I get the desire. Still shot about 650 every set despite not picking up a ball for 18 months and only bowling 6 games per month. Its a sad state this bowling is in.
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Post by: NOTHUMB on October 03, 2005, 04:57:48 AM
Sports and games evolve. Look at poker. Its a skill game thats "being overrun" by internet players, blah, blah, blah. Poker is still a skill game. The most skilled rise in the top situations. I dont see Joe Nobody on the pro tour winning anything. I dont see Joe Nobody winning any regionals. I dont see Joe Nobody winning any major side tournaments. When accuracy is important, the best shows themselves---even those who turn the ball with the newest ball on the market. When accuracy doesnt matter, take it for what it is---a recreational event where at league levels has lost a certain amount of credibility and yet tens of thousands still show up to have no credibility---what does that say about the state of the game???
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Post by: Djarum on October 03, 2005, 08:30:38 AM
So what is the deal? The shot. They put enough oil in the middle to swing if you have a ton of hand, and a dry bumper outside to get it back if you miss.
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Post by: Pinbuster on October 03, 2005, 10:52:51 AM
Synthetic lanes, lane machine that oil and strip, and the higher friction balls that take advantage of the conditions all lead to the big back ends.
I remember when we got the first nu-line x-caliburs. My proshop buy and I both got one and we were both straighter players. Automatically we had as much back end hook as anyone had at that time. We joked then about how they spent years developing their technique and we bought our big hooks out of a box.
Funny thing was they couldn’t seem to use the ball, they simply couldn’t control it. It wasn’t till later when they started running the lanes longer with more oil and the second generation of resins came out before the pre-resin boomers could use them.
I still think the scores come to easy. The youth bowlers reach the top too quick, get bored and quit.
Post by: scotts33 on October 03, 2005, 10:58:52 AM
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I still think the scores come to easy. The youth bowlers reach the top too quick, get bored and quit.
I like that statement PB...you hit it on the head. It's why golf remains viable because quick and easy scoring in golf is not very attainable.
Scott
Post by: shelley on October 03, 2005, 11:58:17 AM
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Why the difference in the two sports?
Ignore the scoring issues. It's because golf is a rich man's game and bowling is a poor man's game. Always has been, always will be. If you want to move up, you play golf with your boss. You don't take him bowling.
SH
Post by: scotts33 on October 03, 2005, 02:08:06 PM
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As for why the kids quit, I agree to a point. The problem isn't that they get good too quickly and get bored. Rather they score high to quickly, giving them the impression they are better than they are. Then when exposed to more demanding conditions they are more disillusioned than we were when we had routine setbacks at every stage of our development
Good point Bob...the additon to PB's point all makes sense to me. Beginning golfers usually never score well and maybe will never be low hdcp. players nor get to the scratch level.
It is very easy to become a scratch bowler in a short amount of time. Not so with golf.
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Scott, I agree with you about golf being difficult to reach a level of decent play and yet golf still enjoys popularity. Why then would not bowling become more popular if conditions were made tougher so it took longer to reach that 200 ave level?
Most of the comments on this board seem to indicate that mandating tougher conditions would only cause us to lose more bowlers.
Why the difference in the two sports?
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When I go to league, if I don't hit mid 600's it's a failed night. Back in the 60's-70's into 80's. If, I hit 600 I was a very happy camper.
It's the instant gratification thing now. If, one does not see immediate results the heck with it and you chuck it in.
Difference in two sports is:
Golf. Varied playing condition players expect it and get it.
Bowling. Bowlers want same condition want no variance. Expect the same condition time after time. For the majority anyway.
Golf. Played outdoors fresh air nice walk.
Bowling. Indoors smoke filled alleys at least in most parts of the country <city of Madison where I am from is smoke free for now>
Golf. Played with many different techniques and different club for every shot 14 to be exact.
Bowling. Some have aresenals but expect to play the same part of the lane for each and every type of shot.
Golf. USGA Hdcp. in my mind doesn't allow for as much sandbagging but it can occur. Take last five rounds drop the best and worst and average.
Bowling. USBC take all game divide by number of pins. Lots of sandbagging especially early in season.
These are just a few of the differences....lots more when I get some time. I am sure there are others. Others please chime in.
You will also note Doc that on this board BR there is a plethora of younger bowlers but on FGI there are very few young posters. Why is that Doc?
Scott
Post by: scotts33 on October 03, 2005, 02:10:35 PM
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Ignore the scoring issues. It's because golf is a rich man's game and bowling is a poor man's game. Always has been, always will be. If you want to move up, you play golf with your boss. You don't take him bowling.
SH
It used to be shelly not much anymore. Lots of courses built for cheaper muni players. My area is over built with courses so it has helped drive the price down a bit and made it easy to get on any course almost same day without reservation.
Scott
Post by: chitown on October 03, 2005, 03:20:51 PM
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Post by: shelley on October 03, 2005, 03:29:45 PM
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Golf. Varied playing condition players expect it and get it.
Bowling. Bowlers want same condition want no variance. Expect the same condition time after time. For the majority anyway.
Golfers can see the variation and differences. Heck, each hole is different on the same course. They're used to every shot being different.
That's not true in bowling. We can't see the shot and without a lot of experience in reading lane graphs, it's guesswork how to play. Sure, good bowlers can score anywhere and given some time, most will learn the shot. We expect consistency in the lanes because we're taught that consistency is king and we have no other way to know what's going on.
SH
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 03, 2005, 03:37:03 PM
I see guys cranking 190 to 200 that are terrible. Then they get on a more difficult condition and bowl 180 and minus. They quit.
But guys I see at 220 in general don't quit unless the requirements of their job make it hard to stay at that level.
rEgards,
Luckylefty
PS guys in our local YABA are averaging 210 + and coming out into classics and averaging near 240...they are not quitting. And I would not classify them as terribly innaccurate either. As accurate as me when I throw good ...no, but more powerful and quite accurate, my gosh yes!