Author Topic: Equipment Check (Read 1786 times)

J_w73 · « **on:** October 28, 2009, 08:52:37 AM »

I finally figured out all my balls, bowling really really well lately, but of course I still have that itch to change something and buy a new ball(s).
Here is what I have. Is there any newer equipment out there that might outperform what I have now and give me an extra edge that I don''t have now.
see here

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2746/4054178856_4cf373c8b0_b.jpg

Brunswick   BVP Mammoth
Hammer   No Mercy Whup''n
Brunswick   Sidewinder
Hammer   Black Widow Pearl
900 Global   Creature S40
Visionary   Green Gargoyle*
Rotogrip   Neptune
Visionary   Slate Blue Gargoyle*

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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180

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the pooh · « **Reply #1 on:** October 29, 2009, 01:34:19 AM »

One of the Cells! On medium to heavy oil, I don't believe there is a better ball than the three(soon to be four) Cells. I always like to say they give two more boards of area that will not only get me to the pocket, but will carry! How many bowlers would like to have an extra board right and left of their target? I have owned all three and they all have that ability, just different hook shapes and oil handling capabilities. You don't know what you are missing until you get a Cell, properly drilled for your release and condition that you bowl on.

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the pooh

kmanestor22 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 29, 2009, 07:12:34 AM »

A Morich ball. Nothing rolls like a Mo ball.
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Where is the bait? I'm goin' to jail!!! - Chocolate GAYzer

J_w73 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 29, 2009, 11:53:08 AM »

I had an original cell and didn''t like it. I think a big part of it was that it was drilled too strong mb and pin too low..It had the worst recovery of any ball I have ever thrown..

I''m loving my whup''n right now and don''t really want to replace that.. Which cell do you recommend and where would it fit , above or below the whupn??
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180

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kmanestor22 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 29, 2009, 12:02:15 PM »

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I had an original cell and didn''t like it. I think a big part of it was that it was drilled too strong mb and pin too low..It had the worst recovery of any ball I have ever thrown..

I''m loving my whup''n right now and don''t really want to replace that.. Which cell do you recommend and where would it fit , above or below the whupn??
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180

Edited on 10/29/2009 11:54 AM

Where was the MB? I have found that Roto balls roll better with the MB kicked out more. I had a Saga with the MB in the "strong" position. It didn't have half the backend of the one I threw with the MB on my VAL. I've seen Virtual Energys with the same problem.
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Where is the bait? I'm goin' to jail!!! - Chocolate GAYzer

J_w73 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 29, 2009, 12:14:27 PM »

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I'm not sure of how each individual ball performs on the lanes for you, but in your "strong pearl" category i'd suggest a RAW HAMMER BURN to you. The assault core is amazing and it's a strong/durable cover. So, if you look to replace your "long and strong" (haha) piece, consider it.
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GetOffMe10Pin

Starting 5:
1. Hammer Cherry Vibe
2. Ebonite Complete NV
3. Raw Hammer Burn
4. Ebonite NVD
5. Columbia 300 Blackberry Burst White Dot

Bench:
1. Ebonite Bash (Purple/Gold)
2. Columbia 300 Rival
3. Raw Hammer Psycho

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I have heard good things about the Burn.. So you think that could replace the widow pearl ??
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180

J_w73 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 29, 2009, 12:15:39 PM »

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I had an original cell and didn''t like it. I think a big part of it was that it was drilled too strong mb and pin too low..It had the worst recovery of any ball I have ever thrown..

I''m loving my whup''n right now and don''t really want to replace that.. Which cell do you recommend and where would it fit , above or below the whupn??
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180

Edited on 10/29/2009 11:54 AM

Where was the MB? I have found that Roto balls roll better with the MB kicked out more. I had a Saga with the MB in the "strong" position. It didn't have half the backend of the one I threw with the MB on my VAL. I've seen Virtual Energys with the same problem.
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Where is the bait? I'm goin' to jail!!! - Chocolate GAYzer

mine was pin below bridge (5.5 pin to pap) 45 deg mb.. I think the mb was kicked out too far.. the ball just rolled up way to smooth and revved way to early..
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180

kmanestor22 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 29, 2009, 12:19:23 PM »

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I had an original cell and didn''''t like it. I think a big part of it was that it was drilled too strong mb and pin too low..It had the worst recovery of any ball I have ever thrown..

I''''m loving my whup''''n right now and don''''t really want to replace that.. Which cell do you recommend and where would it fit , above or below the whupn??
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180

Edited on 10/29/2009 11:54 AM

Where was the MB? I have found that Roto balls roll better with the MB kicked out more. I had a Saga with the MB in the "strong" position. It didn''t have half the backend of the one I threw with the MB on my VAL. I''ve seen Virtual Energys with the same problem.
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Where is the bait? I''m goin'' to jail!!! - Chocolate GAYzer

mine was pin below bridge (5.5 pin to pap) 45 deg mb.. I think the mb was kicked out too far.. the ball just rolled up way to smooth and revved way to early..
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180

I''d say it was because you put the pin below your fingers. I''ve got a ton of revs and I have never had a ball with the MB too far right.

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Where is the bait? I''m goin'' to jail!!! - Chocolate GAYzer

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the pooh · « **Reply #8 on:** October 29, 2009, 12:26:00 PM »

Which Cell and layout would depend on several factors. I would have to see you bowl,measure your pap,measure your tilt,measure your rotation of axis,see your speed,and then match all this to the lanes you bowl on! Get the picture? Hopefully,you have a pro shop that can, and will do, all these things for you.Depending on layout and surface prep, a Cell could easily fit above or below your Whup'N. As an example,unlike kmanestor22, I do well with the mass bias in the 5 1/2" to 6 1/2" range, in or near the thumb. Someone that spins the ball more might like closer mass bias distances. These are very individual measurements and what works for one may not work for all.

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the pooh

J_w73 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 29, 2009, 12:33:50 PM »

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Which Cell and layout would depend on several factors. I would have to see you bowl,measure your pap,measure your tilt,measure your rotation of axis,see your speed,and then match all this to the lanes you bowl on! Get the picture? Hopefully,you have a pro shop that can, and will do, all these things for you.Depending on layout and surface prep, a Cell could easily fit above or below your Whup'N. As an example,unlike kmanestor22, I do well with the mass bias in the 5 1/2" to 6 1/2" range, in or near the thumb. Someone that spins the ball more might like closer mass bias distances. These are very individual measurements and what works for one may not work for all.
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the pooh

55 - 60 mb seems to be my sweet spot.. just to the right of the thumb..
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180

kmanestor22 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 29, 2009, 12:37:30 PM »

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Which Cell and layout would depend on several factors. I would have to see you bowl,measure your pap,measure your tilt,measure your rotation of axis,see your speed,and then match all this to the lanes you bowl on! Get the picture? Hopefully,you have a pro shop that can, and will do, all these things for you.Depending on layout and surface prep, a Cell could easily fit above or below your Whup'N. As an example,unlike kmanestor22, I do well with the mass bias in the 5 1/2" to 6 1/2" range, in or near the thumb. Someone that spins the ball more might like closer mass bias distances. These are very individual measurements and what works for one may not work for all.
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the pooh

I'm glad that works for you, but you are not getting the benefits of owning an asymmetrical ball. Your PAP has to migrate past the line between the pin and MB for the benefits to kick in. You might as well drill a symmetrical piece.
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Where is the bait? I'm goin' to jail!!! - Chocolate GAYzer

J_w73 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 29, 2009, 12:51:13 PM »

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Which Cell and layout would depend on several factors. I would have to see you bowl,measure your pap,measure your tilt,measure your rotation of axis,see your speed,and then match all this to the lanes you bowl on! Get the picture? Hopefully,you have a pro shop that can, and will do, all these things for you.Depending on layout and surface prep, a Cell could easily fit above or below your Whup'N. As an example,unlike kmanestor22, I do well with the mass bias in the 5 1/2" to 6 1/2" range, in or near the thumb. Someone that spins the ball more might like closer mass bias distances. These are very individual measurements and what works for one may not work for all.
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the pooh

I'm glad that works for you, but you are not getting the benefits of owning an asymmetrical ball. Your PAP has to migrate past the line between the pin and MB for the benefits to kick in. You might as well drill a symmetrical piece.
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Where is the bait? I'm goin' to jail!!! - Chocolate GAYzer

You may be right.. maybe that is why I like that mb position because it rolls like a symetrical piece and I can control the roll on the ball with my release and hand position..

Thanks for the info ... I understand what you are saying but I'm not grasping your pin migration / pin to mb line explanation ..
can you please expand upon what you are saying..

so what mb angle is best to see the benefits of an assymetrical piece..?

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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180

kmanestor22 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 29, 2009, 01:03:11 PM »

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Which Cell and layout would depend on several factors. I would have to see you bowl,measure your pap,measure your tilt,measure your rotation of axis,see your speed,and then match all this to the lanes you bowl on! Get the picture? Hopefully,you have a pro shop that can, and will do, all these things for you.Depending on layout and surface prep, a Cell could easily fit above or below your Whup'N. As an example,unlike kmanestor22, I do well with the mass bias in the 5 1/2" to 6 1/2" range, in or near the thumb. Someone that spins the ball more might like closer mass bias distances. These are very individual measurements and what works for one may not work for all.
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the pooh

I'm glad that works for you, but you are not getting the benefits of owning an asymmetrical ball. Your PAP has to migrate past the line between the pin and MB for the benefits to kick in. You might as well drill a symmetrical piece.
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Where is the bait? I'm goin' to jail!!! - Chocolate GAYzer

You may be right.. maybe that is why I like that mb position because it rolls like a symetrical piece and I can control the roll on the ball with my release and hand position..

Thanks for the info ... I understand what you are saying but I'm not grasping your pin migration / pin to mb line explanation ..
can you please expand upon what you are saying..

so what mb angle is best to see the benefits of an assymetrical piece..?

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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180

OK. But just this once. I should charge for this. In an asymmetrical ball, there is a difference in the resistance to revolution (the ease of which the ball revolves) depending on the axis the ball is gyrating around (your PAP). On a line between the pin and the mass bias, is the position where the ball resists revving the most. Your PAP is not stationary. It migrates towards your span due to flare a little bit each rotation. As your PAP approaches that line of greatest resistance, it resists revving. Once your PAP crosses that line, there is less resistance, so the ball revs easier. The further right you put the mass bias, the earlier down the lane the ball assists your revolutions. If your PAP does not quite reach this line, your ball will actually be resisting revolution going into the pocket, not a good thing.
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Where is the bait? I'm goin' to jail!!! - Chocolate GAYzer

J_w73 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 29, 2009, 01:39:46 PM »

ok.. makes sense sort of.. need further clarification though.
so you are saying the ball won''t have any assymetric assisted revving until the pap crosses that pin to mb line? And with my layout(60 deg near thumb) I am not getting any of that assistance..? but the ball still works like a symetric cause I''m not getting any of the assymetrical/mb resistance because the pap is still far enough from the pin to mb line??

and is it possible that my cell sucked for me cause at 45 deg the pap would just get to that line(maybe at the breakpoint?) and then resist revving.. so if I went even more towards my VAL it would work better???
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180

Edited on 10/29/2009 1:46 PM

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