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cappy718

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Etching vs grease pencil
« on: January 13, 2011, 09:48:35 PM »
I dont know about you all, but etching all the lines to drill a ball seems....
 
1. Like a pain in the butt
2. Less likely people will want to buy your used ball
 
As someone that does look for used balls I have often wondered what gives?  Why dont you all use grease pencils instead?  Every proshop I've been to uses them so I dont have those lines stuck in my ball.  Doesnt it also weaken the coverstock and make it more susceptible to cracks?  Just asking because I dont understand it.


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Russell

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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2011, 05:58:03 AM »
I agree....I think some people used to do it because it was the way balls were marked on the tour truck.  It made the ball look more professional...but now I don't get it at all.


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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2011, 07:14:12 AM »

People say it's for PERFECTION .. yet they talk about the thickness of a hair difference .. and then claim it makes all the difference in the world .. I BELIEVE THEM .. a lot of wannabe pro's out there ..

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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2011, 07:39:24 AM »
people scribe their grip measurements so they are more accurate. it also saves time if your remeasuring something you dont have to draw the lines again.

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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2011, 08:00:01 AM »
The answer is simple.  If you do not like scribing, then tell the operator not to do it.

 


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scotts33

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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2011, 10:07:59 AM »
I won't buy a used scribed ball. 

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cappy718

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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2011, 01:05:49 PM »

 Scribing is for the birds...haha!  I'm about at the same place w/ scotts33.  I think I have one ball that still has it, but wont do that again.  And really is that tiny bit of accuracy going to make all the difference?  If so, sharpen your grease pencil.  Ha!  :)
scotts33 wrote on 1/14/2011 11:07 AM:I won't buy a used scribed ball. 

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kidlost2000

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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2011, 01:28:45 PM »
I don't buy used equipment, but don't want lines etched on anything I have drilled for myself either. I use pencil and always mark the center grip line of my ball with a small mark.(similar to how the cg mark looks) You can be as accurate as you want by keeping the pencil sharp and your lines thin. If it is drawn or etched and you miss, you miss. One will have lines you can wipe away, the other will not. I don't think it has any effect on the ball because of if you do very much surface work the lines will start to disappear the same as a scratch.


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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2011, 06:16:19 AM »
  It also allows the bowler, whomever that is, to see that the technician did in fact hit his/her marks when drilling.

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cappy718

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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2011, 09:03:57 AM »
Most drillers I've seen, once they draw the lines with grease pencil...they'll place the ball.  Then they'll bring the drill down on the ball to just put a small hole in it, just the tip of the drill.  And then they'll look at it again to make sure the ball is positioned right before they continue with the rest of the drill.  As far as the tournament thing goes, cant you still bowl in it without the etching lines?  Or is it just a matter of it being quicker to get thru the line? 

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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2011, 09:08:08 AM »
It seems that if you have scribes, you do get thru the weigh in faster... For it takes them less time to line the ball up...  Now to me we may only be talking a few seconds longer to line the ball up... But I guess if you have to weigh hundreds of balls, the scribes do make it easier...
 
cappy718 wrote on 1/15/2011 10:03 AM:Most drillers I've seen, once they draw the lines with grease pencil...they'll place the ball.  Then they'll bring the drill down on the ball to just put a small hole in it, just the tip of the drill.  And then they'll look at it again to make sure the ball is positioned right before they continue with the rest of the drill.  As far as the tournament thing goes, cant you still bowl in it without the etching lines?  Or is it just a matter of it being quicker to get thru the line? 

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The Dreaded Durbin

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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2011, 09:20:07 AM »
Scribe lines are used on the pro tour because more than 1 person handles your ball when its getting drilled.  Often times the pencil lines would get wiped off by accident when the balls got laid out and then brought to the truck. The people on the truck wouldn't know where to drill the ball, and thus it holds up the process.    The scribed lines ensure that the lines will be on the ball when the ball gets passed along on the truck.
 
The tour truck is not a pro shop per say.  The ball are drilled quickly and there are many balls to drill.  It's more of an assembly line, than a pro shop.  You don't stand there and wait for the ball like at a pro shop.  The balls get lined up and they get punched and then you pick up your balls and finish off the holes and install your inserts. 
 
As far as accuracy.  It gives the driller a tad bit tighter range to get your span right on every ball.   Guys like Mo Pinel make span adjustments in 32nds of a inch, that's a pretty small area to hit with a wax pencil, but it can be done.

 
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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2011, 02:11:56 PM »

 Your kidding right?



scotts33 wrote on 1/14/2011 11:07 AM:I won't buy a used scribed ball. 

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kidlost2000

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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2011, 05:18:05 PM »
Thats why I mark my center grip line. If I ever needed to come back and weight it up, or have it done for a tournament it is much easier to do.

 

Also, I drill the thumb hole first. Hole for the slug, then hole into the slug. After that I measure the span to make sure everything is where it should be. Otherwise I can erase the lines to lengthen or shorten the fingers before drilling them.


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cappy718

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Re: Etching vs grease pencil
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2011, 06:38:02 PM »
That makes more sense.  I'd hate to have a ball drilled that way...it's like drop it off and hope for the best with these "x" number of ppl.  And then I'd have all these stinking lines in my ball.  LOL!  As just a regular house bowler though, if I can get a ball w/o these, I prefer them.  I have one with them now that I bought a while back and it irritates me. 
 
Has any one come up with a verdict on whether it weakens the coverstock making it more prone to cracking? 
The Dreaded Durbin wrote on 1/15/2011 10:20 AM:
Scribe lines are used on the pro tour because more than 1 person handles your ball when its getting drilled.  Often times the pencil lines would get wiped off by accident when the balls got laid out and then brought to the truck. The people on the truck wouldn't know where to drill the ball, and thus it holds up the process.    The scribed lines ensure that the lines will be on the ball when the ball gets passed along on the truck.
 
The tour truck is not a pro shop per say.  The ball are drilled quickly and there are many balls to drill.  It's more of an assembly line, than a pro shop.  You don't stand there and wait for the ball like at a pro shop.  The balls get lined up and they get punched and then you pick up your balls and finish off the holes and install your inserts. 
 
As far as accuracy.  It gives the driller a tad bit tighter range to get your span right on every ball.   Guys like Mo Pinel make span adjustments in 32nds of a inch, that's a pretty small area to hit with a wax pencil, but it can be done.

 
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Edited by The Dreaded Durbin on 1/15/2011 at 10:22 AM


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