Author Topic: I can't take it anymore.!! (long sorry) (Read 1149 times)

snowman4951 · « **on:** May 19, 2005, 02:46:40 PM »

I just can't take it anymore.I would say I'm a decent bowler.I average about 210 in four different houses.I am somewhat accurate and I can string some strikes.Here's my problems.I chicken wing the ball and I can't stop it.this causes me to be about a foot away from my left ankle,I'm a righty.I also seem to step away from my body when I slide.I guess in a half moon type motion.My leg slides out then almost comes back under me to help with me being so far away from my ankle.I throw the ball around 18mph and even though I spin the ball I can still score on heavy oil or burnt lanes.I am so used to it.People tell me don't fix it you always score.I smile and agree but,inside I'm dying.I suffer from pinched nerves in my neck and shoulders.I also think I have tendonitis in my left shoulder.My throwing arm is fine.I can't afford to pay for lessons to correct my game.I have tried numerous things including sitting in a chair,trying to keep hand under the ball,and others.The better bowlers won't help me and seem to laugh at my style.People tell me I have such a strong ball and that if I could change I could be really good.Why won't people help me?I ask tons of questions!! Never any help.Why are great bowlers to good to help out.I can't physically take the pain anymore.I'm only 29 but I feel like 89.I am so competitive I want to win always.I know I could get better if I had help!!I am very disciplined,I hold multiple blackbelts in martial arts.I just can't fix the problems UGGGHHHHH!!!Bowling is my heart it's what I love to do.I've never quit anything in my life.My pain is so bad that the next day I can't even hold my kids or play with them.It kills me.Even worse is my kids started bowling and they love it.They love bowling with daddy.I want to be able to bowl with them until I die.Does anyone have any ideas?Is there anyone here that can help.I live in eastern Pa.I am willing to try everything and anything.Thanks for reading,sorry for the length.
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SrKegler · « **Reply #1 on:** May 20, 2005, 06:50:17 AM »

Without seeing you bowl all we can do is guess what the problem is.

My guess is you are stepping left on your last step so the ball can clear.

If coaching isn't an option, try borrowing a video camera and tape your self. Get some footage from the side, some from the back.

Once you pin point where the problem lies, you can start making corrections.

Try this website. Great coach and person. www.bowl4fun.com
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #2 on:** May 20, 2005, 07:06:54 AM »

Maybe keeping your upper body stright upward could be an option, too? I had a mild problem with a dropped right shoulder (especially after some games and getting tired) which made my game inaccurate. Maybe also because it felt "natural".

Well, at the approach I consciously kick back my shoulders to get myself square to the target. Besides good effect on accuracy I found out that it reduces my backswing (without sacrificing power) and makes it more straight. As a side effect, I quit twisting my waist and the ball comes closer by my ankle. Maybe this might help you to reduce your chicken-wining? It is just an idea...
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pin-chaser · « **Reply #3 on:** May 20, 2005, 10:35:37 AM »

As well check the direction of your pushaway. If you have developed a relaxed armswing the you could be developing flair in the swing because of poor direction in your pushaway.

As well, timing can cause this. Starting the ball to early in your approach elongates the armswing which causes the hips to be in the way at diffent points in your approach. This causes the requirement to slide away from your target. The key to a proper arm swing is that the ball should follow the 4th step (The first step in a 4 step approach, the 2nd step in a 5 step approach) into the backswing. This ensures that the hips are not in the way in the downswing after the pushaway.

Another reason for chicken winging is weight. Without the proper body aligment and the foul line, us chubby people will chicken wing it and not be able to get close to our ankles.

I agree.. take some videos and let us look.
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jimensminger · « **Reply #4 on:** May 20, 2005, 10:46:05 AM »

snowman:..where do you live..?

Snap10 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 20, 2005, 10:54:44 AM »

These are some good tips and should help you with your problem. I've also seen people "chicken wing" because they are cocking their arm at the top of the backswing and then muscling the throw. Putting a towel in between your arm and body and holding it there through your release might help.

If you really need someone to watch you bowl and a video is not an option, why don't you see if there is someone on this board in your area that would bowl a few practice games with you?

snowman4951 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 20, 2005, 01:15:16 PM »

Thanks everyone,it's great to see atleast some people still care.I have tried the towel trick.I couldn't do it.I live in Bucks county.I will try to get a video of myself.Does anyone know how to post it when I do get it?I will try all the help I get here.If there is anything else I can try,feel free to post it.Thanks again!!
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SrKegler · « **Reply #7 on:** May 20, 2005, 05:57:41 PM »

Snowman: No problem, just trying to help. It's refreshing to finally see someone with a problem other than "what ball, what drilling."

Was beginning to believe mechanics had nothing to do with bowling anymore.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 20, 2005, 06:05:50 PM »

Snowman, I have the exact same problem as you from start to finish. One thing that helps me is I pretend I have a towel under my arm and if the arm gets away from the body, the towel will fall out. In practice you can use a real towel, but in league you have to pretend the towel is there.

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SrKegler · « **Reply #9 on:** May 20, 2005, 07:41:58 PM »

Good idea Brickguy. I'm trying to remember the bowler from the 70s that used something similar though. He had a pouch made up that hung under his shirt. Before each frame he would push the pouch into his armpit.

Senility is getting to me, can't remember right now. Good training aid though. Probably the best idea so far.
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