The funniest part is you think you'll see a difference between those two.

The funniest part is you think you'll see a difference between those two.

I spit out my drink when I read that. No lie.

I do this with almost every ball I drill. Have an idea and just dont like the way it looks. Doesnt sound crazy to me.

Matt

I've seen Mo post before if it puts the pin too close to the fingers move it accordingly to give a safe buffer.

The pin marks the low rg axis which shifts away from drilled holes. It is going to move no matter what, no need in thinking a few degrees or a fraction of inches will make or break it's reaction.

Yeah I know, the change didn't shift the fingers much at all, it's just a mental numbers thing.  There isn't going to be any difference, but I picked 65x4x35 and that's what I want.  Whether there's a difference or not, if I wanted 60x4.5x40 I'd have picked it in the first place lol.  Again, I realize the difference won't make any difference, especially because it's a symmetric, it was more just a joke or casual humor . .

I've seen Mo post before if it puts the pin too close to the fingers move it accordingly to give a safe buffer.

The pin marks the low rg axis which shifts away from drilled holes. It is going to move no matter what, no need in thinking a few degrees or a fraction of inches will make or break it's reaction.

Most of the good bowlers I've ever been around lay out their stuff by looks anyway. 

I'm not one of those good bowlers, but that's what I do.  I know the basics of pin to PAP, etc. and MB positions so I tend to skip the "dog and pony" show.

Sometimes when laying out a ball in front of the customer I draw some EXTRA lines, too.  To quote Nacho Libre, "Ees for fon".  My driller knows me by now so he ignores the additional lines and hits the important ones...

Yeah, once you get the feel for it, you know where the layout is going to put the fingers anyway.  My layouts all end up in about the same place anyway, and no ball and layout choice will ever give you EXACTLY what you wanted/expected in the first place.  Slight adjustments are always needed here or there.  I'm not going to go as far as saying layouts are irrelevant, but I don't think they factor in as much as people think they do.  This kid I've been working with has drilled about 10 balls since May, and redrilled 5 of them trying every layout on the planet, and all I've really seen is that the balls all react just like they do for everyone else regardless of layout.  He even had two of the same ball drilled drastically different, and complained that they reacted exactly the same.  This is another one of those monkey putting 3 holes in the ball thing, all of his own doing, I didn't have any say in ball choice or layout.  Just not seeing layout have that much of an effect . . or at least nothing that overcomes ball design or bowler style.