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Elimeno Pee

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Everlasting Carrydown
« on: October 20, 2013, 09:01:50 PM »
So, where I bowl has relatively heavy oil. Wood lanes.  I'm no sure if their Kegel is actually stripping the backends.  Either way, I find my self (righty) moving right all night.  Tonight there was not much warning when the adjustment was needed, almost seemed to be random, and I went from strikes to 2-10's in a hurry.  Left 8 splits, 1 7-10, the rest were a combination that had the 2-10 in it. No matter what angle I tried from tonight, it seemed to go X X Split. or X X X X Split. 

Anyone else have this issue?  I used a Pursuit and a Totally Defiant, neither wanted to get back to the pocket by the end of game 3.

If I took an original Defiant, to either 1000 or 2000 abralon, would it make it grab a little better, and maybe act as a mop to clean off the break point?
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2013, 10:52:02 PM »
I'm bowling on synthetic and the same thing is going on in my house this year.

I believe too much volume and too much viscosity as several air conditioners finally repaired at our center.

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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2013, 04:17:47 AM »
I'm bowling on synthetic and the same thing is going on in my house this year.

I believe too much volume and too much viscosity as several air conditioners finally repaired at our center.

Regards,

Luckylefty

And in a 3 game set, 4 person team with half or better throwing a no rev ball or plastic, there is NO burning through it.  That being said, my Monday league (5 man) has some of the same stuff happenig
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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2013, 08:19:18 AM »
Is this a THS or a sport league?

Is there no increase in friction as you move outside?
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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2013, 10:58:19 AM »
Ths. No added friction in the out side.  And the carrydown seems to carry but never burn off
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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2013, 11:37:37 AM »
How far outside are you playing? 8? 5? 3? What equipment are you using, and surface prep?

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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2013, 12:18:15 PM »
All oob, pursuit, totally defiant, and versa max.  Versa max up 10, and out a bit to 7ish.  Pursuit near 3rd arrow out to 6-10 neighbor hood.  Totally is playing between the two on this soup. 

I have a csystem 2.5 a deviant, a defiant drulled pin out double thumb and a profit I can tinker with toi.  Thought about a defiant  taken to 500 or 1000
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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2013, 12:26:33 PM »
Start outside, maybe like 7 at the arrows out to 5ish, if it is a THS then there's friction outside.  Playing 3rd arrow (and even 2nd at times) can be too far in.  Get out where the dry is and take advantage of it.  MOVE THOSE FEET!

Now, if you get outside and the ball won't read friction, then you're not on a THS.

From what I'm understanding, I don't know how you can swing the ball that much on a heavy volume (much less to outsides that aren't hooking)....  Keep that line straighter.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 12:29:22 PM by Good Times Good Times »
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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2013, 02:23:53 PM »
I could be wrong but it would seem just as likely that the head oil is being absorbed due to the wood surface.  If you throw something MUCH weaker and cleaner, you will have your answer.

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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2013, 02:29:08 PM »
I'm with GTx2. You're too far in the middle of the lane. Stand on top of the gutter and try playing 1-2-3 board, ala Cheetah. I've played those lines with aggressive pieces before (Bank Roll, Trains, etc) and just try to get the ball to read. If you can't, then try something weaker out there. You're in the middle, where all the traffic is. Get out of there and (like GTx2 said) MOVE THOSE FEET!

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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2013, 02:52:58 PM »
I'm with GTx2. You're too far in the middle of the lane. Stand on top of the gutter and try playing 1-2-3 board, ala Cheetah. I've played those lines with aggressive pieces before (Bank Roll, Trains, etc) and just try to get the ball to read. If you can't, then try something weaker out there. You're in the middle, where all the traffic is. Get out of there and (like GTx2 said) MOVE THOSE FEET!

You won't get a nosebleed, I promise. :)

I know, I love it out there, all by myself.

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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2013, 02:58:19 PM »
I could be wrong but it would seem just as likely that the head oil is being absorbed due to the wood surface.  If you throw something MUCH weaker and cleaner, you will have your answer.

That is a possibility....

From what the OP has posted the problem is getting the ball to move. 

Our goal here is to find friction..... and on a THS (as noted it is) that will be outside.  Whether it is up the twig, up 5, 7-8 at the arrows to the outside downlane....we want to find friction and we want to matchup.  I would suggest trying a variety of different pieces of equipment up the outside (start at say straight up 5 in practice), and whatever it is that gives the best look go with it.......and move the feet in OR out as necessary.  Something medium at first will give you an indicator as to if you need more or less shell.  Let the ball tell you.

Again, it is a THS....our plan is to find friction and that will be outside. It will also simplify our line.  Going as direct as possible, IMHO, takes the pattern out of play a significant amount.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 03:00:02 PM by Good Times Good Times »
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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2013, 03:57:30 PM »
I could be wrong but it would seem just as likely that the head oil is being absorbed due to the wood surface.  If you throw something MUCH weaker and cleaner, you will have your answer.

I believe this more than I believe "everlasting carry down".  Ball not finishing due to burning up (Pursuit and Totally Defiant on wood) and hitting light or hitting weak for a 7-10.  I bet those lanes are about 30 years old too.  But I could be wrong also.

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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2013, 04:06:03 PM »
I will be you are trying to hook the lane, and even when you move out you are playing a lot of head belly.  Learn to play more direct and take what the lane gives you rather than staying addicted to swing area. 

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Re: Everlasting Carrydown
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2013, 04:35:46 PM »
Wood lanes are older, but were just resurfaced in August.  I am not the only one moving right all night.  I appreciate all the suggestions.

If I went further left and didnt put it out as far, would that maybe be an option? Stay out of traffic all together?   
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