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Expensive Pro Shop Operator
« on: February 02, 2004, 10:05:24 PM »
I don't want to down play my driller. I just wanted to know if any one out there goes through the same thing that I do and my local bowling buddies goes through when it comes to dealing with a certain operator in our area. I don't want to mention his name, but this guy is really ridiculous when it comes to his prices. I know I personally spend alot on this hobby, especially with him, I'm not looking for a hand out and I know he has to eat and provide, but last saturday was the last draw. I had purchased a brand new ball from someone who wasn't using it, I brought the ball to my driller and with drilling and everything (inserts and slugs) he wanted $75 bucks. I know if I would've bought the ball from him that it would've been slightly cheaper. I didn't get upset, because everyone knows that this guy is very expensive. I took my new ball somewhere else that day and saved over $25.00 What are your thoughts on this? I already know of a few bowlers who won't even go in his shop to buy cleaner from him cause of his prices.

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Re: Expensive Pro Shop Operator
« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2004, 01:51:13 PM »
Thak you Joe
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Re: Expensive Pro Shop Operator
« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2004, 10:56:30 PM »
MY THOUGHT on your comment is MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO FOLLOW THE TOUR!
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Re: Expensive Pro Shop Operator
« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2004, 11:06:09 PM »
Haha, king of the mill.  Most of our plug and redrill work is fixing other "pro shops" mistakes.  Lol, it's weird to think that our supposed competition is actually helping to keep us in business.  They get the intial business, then we get called on to fix the mistakes.
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Re: Expensive Pro Shop Operator
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2004, 11:16:25 PM »
oh oh! Misunderstanding I think! I meant take your SHOP and follow them .. seems like you figure there's money to be made (drilling balls for the pros)!
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Re: Expensive Pro Shop Operator
« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2004, 07:53:39 AM »
ANGST .. WRITING is much different then talking directly to a person .. sometimes to put EMPHASIS on a WORD .. WRITING it in CAPS helps the READER .. sometimes NOTHING helps a reader. There are a NUMBER of FONTS available to people on BR .. some take the time to avail themselves of these OPTIONS .. some don't .. I would imagine if the options are TOO MUCH for some .. complaining to MANAGEMENT may help. SORRY it upsets you .. didn't know you were that familiar with RANSOM notes .. MY APOLOGIES to you!

Seems we were distracted from the topic .. $75 to drill a ball even with the inserts (where they have to be glued and cut)is TOO MUCH .. I will SUGGEST to ANY BOWLER, that pays this much, get in touch with me and I will direct them to OTHER PROFESSIONAL DRILLERS that they should consider!    

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Re: Expensive Pro Shop Operator
« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2004, 08:11:10 AM »
Golly Joe, I’ve decided whatever your salary was at that bank was too much. I’m sure your salary and benefits thru the years were much higher than any of these independent business men that you continually bash on this sight. What investment did you have in the bank other than time or the money THEY gave you to invest in bank stock. I’m sure you didn’t buy your own desk, calculator, pens, paper, etc.

Banks have always overcharged people  for the services they provide and the bank managers are the worst. They squeeze money out of the customers and the lower level employees while taking large bonuses for themselves.

I submit that you should give back half of what your earned thru the years because it is obvious that you were grossly overpaid.

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« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2004, 08:14:54 AM »
And Joe I’m feel sorry for all the LITTLE people on this SITE who cannot UNDERSTAND what you are typing without you POSTING things in CAPITALS. Thanks for the help in MAKING the POINT CLEAR. We SUBMIT to your obviously SUPERIOR communications SKILLS.

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« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2004, 08:18:11 AM »
Thanks!
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Re: Expensive Pro Shop Operator
« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2004, 08:21:59 AM »
Joe .. since you asked .. started as a $50 clerk .. knowing nothing of Banking ... since I worked Construction .. left after 40 years as a Vice President .. no schooling .. just HARD WORK!
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Re: Expensive Pro Shop Operator
« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2004, 08:49:09 AM »
So what ? A lot of people work hard. I started off as a  $ .50/hour farm hand. Worked 80 to 100 hours a week to put myself thru school , got an education and got a better job. Today I’m in good shape financially and no I don’t own a proshop.

YOU  were probably MAKING over $50 an hour plus BENEFITS  when you RETIRED, with a PENSION, with NO capital outlay on your part.  I’m willing to bet that few PROSHOP owners CLEAR  $20/hour with NO benefits and YOU think they are OVERPAID.

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« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2004, 09:28:53 AM »
You asked a QUESTION and I answered you .. now you make statements about how much PRO SHOP owners/workers are making .. I don't know the answers so I can't discuss it ..$75 is TOO MUCH to pay for BALL DRILLING!

Now .. if you want to know where YOU can get it cheaper .. drop me a line and I'll email the info to you .. but then again .. you claim to be smart enough to do the research ON YOUR OWN!

Any questions you have of me .. please drop me a line .. I' don't need  to bother others .. My opinion on this subject is that $75 is TOO MUCH FOR DRILLING (even with the inserts provided)!

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Re: Expensive Pro Shop Operator
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2004, 12:58:33 PM »
I agree with Joe that $75 is too much. And not just too much, but waaaaay too much. Especially for the inaccuracy and numerous errors of span and pitches being drilled now days by a lot of drillers. Note, I didn't say "all," but I did say "a lot." Especially where I live and if this is any indication of nation wide, then there are waaaay more bad drillers out there than good ones and $75 is too much for this kind of workmanship. Due to this type workmanship, I am forced to get my drilling done on line and I get it done for half that plus the drilling accuracy is second to none. It is so perfect that you can't even measure it being even as much as 1/64th inch off anywhere. When I put my hand in one ball and then another, I can't tell you which ball my hand is in. If anyone doubts this, send your drilling specs to Doug Sterner and find out for your self.

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« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2004, 06:46:40 PM »
I’ve been following this, can’t really understand the problem.  One poster says $75 is too much.  How do you determine a fair price.  What price do you put on a misfitting ball that injures your hand.  Seems to be a lot of bad drillers out there when I see all the posts about people having thumb and finger problems.

On the conservative side, a COMPETENT driller spends about 1-2 hours with a new customer.  Maybe watch him bowl a few games, figure his PAP coordinates, discuss the lane conditions he wants to bowl on, what he wants the ball to do, etc.

Now if I take my car into the shop, they have a large sign that states their labor rates is $75 an hour.  Do I quibble, and say that is just too much?  Guess I could take it to one of the shade tree mechanics who only charges $40 an hour.

I go for haircuts, cost is $12, takes about 15 minutes.  Around $48.00 an hour.

Plumbers in my area want $50 and hour, electricians run $60 an hour.

The point is, each craft, and Yes BALL DRILLING is a CRAFT.

In this case, $75 less $10 for a slug, 2 grips @ $5 leaves the driller a net of $55.

His prices seem right in line with all the other crafts.  If anything, they should charge more just for all the BS they have to put up with.

Bottom line, if you think the price is too high, go someplace else.  

Pay for what you get, just make sure you get what you pay for.

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Brickguy221

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Re: Expensive Pro Shop Operator
« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2004, 07:19:48 PM »
Sr. Kegler, if you will read my post just above yours, you will see that I "am not" getting what I paid for so that's why I was forced to go on line to get my balls drilled. Would you pay $75 for inferior workmanship? I doubt you would and I know I won't and neither will the others here.

For first class work and accuracy you have a good point, but for the accuracy I and others get without going on line you don't have a good point. If you had the local driller where I live drill your ball one time, you would understand what I am talking about.

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Re: Expensive Pro Shop Operator
« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2004, 07:35:59 PM »
Good points Brickguy, that's why SKEET has to decide if the guys services were worth the extra money.  In this case it wasn't and he went someplace else.  Now if the other driller gave him the wrong pitches or span, would it have been worth the savings?

Believe me, I know what you are experiencing.  A good driller is extremely hard to find.  I could care less what mine charges, I know it will be a perfect fit.  Only problem I have is he is so good, there is a waiting list to get in to see him.  Normally I just have to drop the equipment off, and he works on it in his spare time in between jobs and pick the equipment up the next week.

The point I was trying to get across was people arbitraily setting a value on the drillers services and stating what should be charged.
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