Author Topic: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball - (Read 4752 times)

charlest · « **on:** December 11, 2005, 05:57:58 AM »

Ok, call me an idiot or whatever you like, but I just don't get it.

How does watching another person throw a ball, drilled for him, on his conditions, with his own release help you understand what the ball will do for you, with your release, drilled your way, for your conditions?

I really want to understand. really!

On another thread, someone said he liked what he saw when Wes Mallott threw the Columbia Action, admittedly a very good ball. But he fiend who wanted one had not seen Wes throw it. My reply was:
As far as I can see, Wes Mallott could throw a ball of snot and make us want it, if seeing his throwing a ball would in any way shape or form make it right for any reason. The idea is a player of Wes's abilities can make any ball look good.

Hell's bells, I threw a 289 a week ago; film any of those strikes and would you buy the Bullsh*t Whizbang I was throwing?

'Splain it to me, somebody, anybody!

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Addendum:
As of 10 PM, 12/12, so far, most people agree with me - it's hard enough to get someone to explain their delivery, no less get them to make a video to help your ball buying decision. I don't want to close this discussion yet, as it has potential. I do want to say that my major point is that people shouldn't let their emotions get the best of them by watching a video of a ball. There's tons of essential information lacking in just the video; it should be the basis of a decision to buy a ball.
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Edited on 12/11/2005 9:15 PM

scotts33 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 11, 2005, 02:03:12 PM »

I'm with you Jeff. I never have understood this. I have gotten more mileage out of asking you or others in the know on opinions on different equipment if I was interested in it than some video of a player rolling a specific ball on a specific lane pattern, with completely different technique and ball speed than I. I just don't get it.

If, I do a video of me using a Blue Dot on super dry conditions rolling 20 at the arrows to 8 at the break point into the pocket and shread the rack. Does that mean everybody should go out and buy a Blue Dot?
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Tweener92 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 11, 2005, 02:22:59 PM »

I look for videos of those who throw the ball similar in style to the way I do and use it as a reference. That is why it is important that we know as much about the individuals stats as well as the stats on the ball and lane condition. Ultimately I have the final decision on what I am going to buy but a visual is always nice. Hope that helps a little.

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charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** December 11, 2005, 04:01:00 PM »

So far we have a "a visual is nice" & "I like to watch".
But what good does it do in the decision making process?

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kingpin268 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 11, 2005, 04:09:46 PM »

It's definately the balls that strike the most in the vids or on PBA that aid in the purchasing of equipment. [/sarcasm off]
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Luke909 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 11, 2005, 04:16:23 PM »

i like watching them lol
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Tweener92 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 11, 2005, 05:03:49 PM »

quote:
So far we have a "a visual is nice" & "I like to watch".
But what good does it do in the decision making process?

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Ok I'll elaborate. If a ball strikes when someone else is throwing it, it has no bearing on if I will buy it. The "visual" that I am looking for is plain and simple ball reaction on the lanes. I.E is it skid flippy, even arcing, etc. I look for things that will give me a reaction that I think will work best for me. Thus resulting in my looking for vids of people similar in style to myself. I consider it a kind of research. It's my way of "test driving" the ball before purchase.
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Edited on 12/11/2005 5:54 PM

novawagonmaster · « **Reply #7 on:** December 11, 2005, 05:33:08 PM »

I just like to watch.
I buy them all anyway, so the vids are not influential.
I am a ball junkie.
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Tony Banks · « **Reply #8 on:** December 11, 2005, 05:50:21 PM »

Hurray for sarcasm! Call me a perv, but I just like to watch too. There's just something poetic about the perfect strike, and perhaps sometimes watching it and wanting it, the anticipation of it all is better than actually having the ball. I'm with the guy above me (not to sound queer) I think that the bowling industry is doing a beautiful job into convincing us that it's more the ball than the bowler. In terms of watching a ball's reaction, balls can be drilled against their intended purpose thus providing a weaker or stronger reaction.
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charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** December 11, 2005, 06:00:55 PM »

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Watching a ball roll down the lane, gives somewhat of an idea (to an experienced bowler) what to expect when he/she 'potentially' gets the chance to throw it.

Its easy to identify a big hooking particle ball, compared to a skid/snap pearlised ball, but until you are able to 'VISUALISE' how the ball is going to react with your shot, its just guess work from the get go. Watching others throw the ball does START the 'building block' to knowing what gear to buy next, which helps the process along.
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Ultimately, you can never know until you throw, but vids help the selection process!!!
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Tonx,

I respect your expertise, but my point remains:

Someone else throwing it, with an unknown drill on an unknown lane condition doesn't begin to tell you the least iota about the ball.

Tweener92,

Any ball, be it a pearl resin or a solid particle, can take on any ball path and you wouldn't know what it really means to you.

All it can do is fuel your desire because you saw an explosive strike or it followed a ball path you like.
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Edited on 12/11/2005 6:59 PM

a_ak57 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 11, 2005, 06:13:42 PM »

Charlest, what do you mean a supercranker throwing a ball from 40 out to 5 on dry conditions won't EXACTLY replicate my tweener style on medium oil!! Mind boggling!
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Tweener92 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 11, 2005, 06:57:34 PM »

Charlest,

That's why it is important that the person giving us the video also provide us with the important info about themselves, lane condition and information on the ball as well. I have a friend that throws the ball in a quite similar fashion as I so when I want to get a read on how a ball perfroms that I don't have, I can watch him and get a pretty good idea of how a particular drill on a particular ball will behave. I can get a similar read from a video as long as the right info is procvided. Now if a cranker is throwing the ball in a video, it will serve me no purpose at all.
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Bluff · « **Reply #12 on:** December 11, 2005, 07:12:34 PM »

quote:
Ok, call me an idiot or whatever you like, but I just don't get it.

How does watching another person throw a ball, drilled for him, on his conditions, with his own release help you understand what the ball will do for you, with your release, drilled your way, for your conditions?

I really want to understand. really!

On another thread, someone said he liked what he saw when Wes Mallott threw the Columbia Action, admittedly a very good ball. But he fiend who wanted one had not seen Wes throw it. My reply was:
As far as I can see, Wes Mallott could throw a ball of snot and make us want it, if seeing his throwing a ball would in any way shape or form make it right for any reason. The idea is a player of Wes's abilities can make any ball look good.

Hell's bells, I threw a 289 a week ago; film any of those strikes and would you buy the Bullsh*t Whizbang I was throwing?

'Splain it to me, somebody, anybody!

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Is Like sex! doing a hot chick don't mean you going to get a good laid! But if is good looking one you feel like you scored bigger. Which you perffer?

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pin-chaser · « **Reply #13 on:** December 11, 2005, 07:21:36 PM »

I cant unless the same player uses several balls all layed out the same and uses the same release, line and rev rate. But I never see any like that.
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DukeHarding · « **Reply #14 on:** December 11, 2005, 07:45:10 PM »

charlest,
I've always wondered the same thing.
Especially, the lane condition being bowled on.
I've bowled in a lot of houses, over the past 50 years.
If you ask the lane man in most houses, they don't know the pattern.
They just run the machine...Or they tell you: "We oil 35 feet"....I think it's a pat answer.

I'll watch a video to connect, a BR member to see his bowling style (just curiosity)...Ball videos and (most) ball reviews are meaningless.

Videos of bowlers rolling a ball are good for analyzing their games...that's about it...Pick out some basic faults the bowler has.

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