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charlest

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Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« on: December 11, 2005, 05:57:58 AM »
Ok, call me an idiot or whatever you like, but I just don't get it.

How does watching another person throw a ball, drilled for him, on his conditions, with his own release help you understand what the ball will do for you, with your release, drilled your way, for your conditions?

I really want to understand. really!

On another thread, someone said he liked what he saw when Wes Mallott threw the Columbia Action, admittedly a very good ball. But he fiend who wanted one had not seen Wes throw it. My reply was:
As far as I can see, Wes Mallott could throw a ball of snot and make us want it, if seeing his throwing a ball would in any way shape or form make it right for any reason. The idea is a player of Wes's abilities can make any ball look good.

Hell's bells, I threw a 289 a week ago; film any of those strikes and would you buy the Bullsh*t Whizbang I was throwing?

'Splain it to me, somebody, anybody!

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As of 10 PM, 12/12, so far, most people agree with me - it's hard enough to get someone to explain their delivery, no less get them to make a video to help your ball buying decision. I don't want to close this discussion yet, as it has potential. I do want to say that my major point is that people shouldn't let their emotions get the best of them by watching a video of a ball. There's tons of essential information lacking in just the video; it should be the basis of a decision to buy a ball.
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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2005, 08:21:44 PM »
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Charlest,

That's why it is important that the person giving us the video also provide us with the important info about themselves, lane condition and information on the ball as well. I have a friend that throws the ball in a quite similar fashion as I so when I want to get a read on how a ball perfroms that I don't have, I can watch him and get a pretty good idea of how a particular drill on a particular ball will behave. I can get a similar read from a video as long as the right info is procvided. Now if a cranker is throwing the ball in a video, it will serve me no purpose at all.
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That is 100% understandable. However, it's more than hard enough to get anyone to actually describe their bowling style with some details (granted many just do not know yet are trying to be helpful) inside the ball review or in their profile. To get someone to provide that description PLUS be able to show a video - almost mathematically impossible.

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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2005, 05:48:29 AM »
Personally, I don't look at the videos posted here. My style is mine, not like someone who might post . The lane conditions are to far off, we bowl on a military base, there are times they can't spell oil, much less use it. Other times, they backed a used oil tanker to the lanes and dumped !

I read the specs, see if someone locally has it, watch them, and think if I could use the ball, but seeing a video, not really knowing the lane conditions, that does me no good what so ever. If it helps someone else, great ! Personally, I just don't watch them.

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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2005, 10:43:32 AM »
Jeff, without having read all of the above, let me say this.  I can watch my driller and maybe two or three other guys throw a ball and get a notion of what it will do for me.  Only because I've seen them throw a lot and have a lot of experience translating what they get to what I'm likely to get with the same ball.  I don't try to translate from most folks game to my own - it's not possible unless you have seen them throw a lot of commonly held equipment.
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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2005, 02:22:28 PM »
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More than single videos, I like the posts where the same person, on the same lane, throws a variety of balls, so that you can see the differences between them.  If that person is throwing a ball I already have, then I can gauge the differences in reaction to the other balls, if I were to decide I'm looking for something else in my arsenal.


And this, in my opinion, is the real key to the value of the N_Smith/BrunsNick videos, as he's using the same style, on the same lanes, in most of his vid.  Thus, you can get a rough idea of the potentials of the various balls in relation to each other.  Then, making a comparison to a similar ball-thrown, you can get an idea of how it might roll for you.
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granted.
But most people here Do not do and do not ask for those comparisons, and therein lies part of a MAJOR problem, as I indicated above.
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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2005, 02:29:08 PM »
Part of a MAJOR problem? Get a grip.

It is entertainment, nothing more.
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charlest

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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2005, 02:35:01 PM »
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Part of a MAJOR problem? Get a grip.

It is entertainment, nothing more.
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Entertainment, I can live with, as an explanation.

The MAJOR problem is most people look at you or other good bowlers throwing these balls in those videos, and all they see are strikes and all it does is make them feel they want the ball, which is DEAD FREAKING WRONG, because it's for the wrong reason. That is the MAJOR PROBLEM, that I see.

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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2005, 02:42:10 PM »
I watch for entertainment.  I know I probably won't be able to throw the ball as well as Nick or pros and many others, so I'll have to agree that videos are for entertainment.  It sure is fun watching people throw strike after strike, and it's definitely cool watching high rev players make them colours swirl!

In regards to making people want to buy a ball, people generally buy a ball because of a reaction they need or a spot to fill in their collection of balls.  It's much easier to say 'I want that ball' after watching someone, anyone, throw it in comparison to other balls rather than looking at the various numbers put out by a company.

If comparison videos are not so useful, then how much more useful are the numbers that companies shoot out at us (ie. hook rating, length, breakpoint angle, radius of gyration, differentials, spin times)?
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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2005, 02:42:20 PM »
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Part of a MAJOR problem? Get a grip.

It is entertainment, nothing more.
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Entertainment, I can live with, as an explanation.

The MAJOR problem is most people look at you or other good bowlers throwing these balls in those videos, and all they see are strikes and all it does is make them feel they want the ball, which is DEAD FREAKING WRONG, because it's for the wrong reason. That is the MAJOR PROBLEM, that I see.

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If they are lacking the common sense to realize the difference in ability between Joe Bowler and a "good bowler"  then that is on them.
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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2005, 02:44:31 PM »
If you can't see the ball reaction shape difference in the latest videos (Smokin, Rampage, Vapor) then THAT is a MAJOR problem.

Some folks are looking for something. Some are looking for smooth transition, some are looking for a strong jerk off the dry. The videos can show that, regardless if I throw the ball different than 75% of the folks out there.

My videos give people an idea, as well as a laugh sometimes. That is why I continue to make them.
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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2005, 02:48:44 PM »
And please keep making them. Unlike Stevie Wonder there, I see the reaction.
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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2005, 02:53:19 PM »
Nick's revs and sarge easter grip are sexy.  That's all that matters. LOL!  

I believe comparison videos (especially of balls drilled the same) regardless of who is throwing them, gives buyers a much better idea of how a ball will react compared to reading numbers from a website.
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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2005, 02:55:06 PM »
So how exactly does reading what a manufacturer writes about a coverstock and core combination (explosive at the pins, strong drive through the pocket are common sayings) help either? Seems to me the only way you will know how a ball will react, by your logic, is by throwing it yourself.

Everyone needs to stop worrying about the damn technical mumbo jumbo and get back to throwing the ball. It really isn't that hard to figure out how many balls you need at your level and when to use the right ball. Everyone is so caught up in "I moved the drilling one inch and wow, it reacts 1 board weaker than my other ball" that they forget that the person that wins usually wins not because they match up balls well, but because they are just plain better.
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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2005, 03:44:36 PM »
Nick, I guess you need to start putting disclaimers and what not on your videos now.  LOL
You and the others are nice enough to take the time out of your busy schedules to bring us these videos for entertainment.  If you buy a ball based solely on what you see in a video or on TV, then you shouldn't be buying your own equipment.  You obviously do not know enough about the various characteristics that go into choosing the right ball for YOUR style and YOUR lane conditions.  I would like to think that most folks would have enough sense to distinguish this.
Nick, Ryan, and everyone else who posts their videos on here:
Thank you for what you bring to the bowling community and I hope this doesn't discourage you from continuing to provide us with your hard work in the future.
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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2005, 04:01:47 PM »
What I wanna know is, where are all the low rev stroker vids?  Seems that all I ever see are crankers!!
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Re: Explain to me how videos of a ball help you know that ball -
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2005, 04:50:12 PM »
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What I wanna know is, where are all the low rev stroker vids?  Seems that all I ever see are crankers!!

Probably due to them being self conscious.  And of the stroker vids I've seen on here, most of them are trying to play a deeper line than they should to make it look like they can hook it more...
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