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gradilonec

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explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« on: December 09, 2014, 08:28:17 AM »
Every pro shop owner I've gone to has been confused as to how I could track so low, but only have between 9-11* tilt.   They've watched me bowl, but no one, including myself can figure it out.  Anyone have any typical reasons for this?

It also has made layouts somewhat of a guessing game.  I've found one layout that I have on almost all my equipment, but it was a shot in the dark and ended up liking.

Stats:
218avg
19.5mph
395rpm
tract: low/extreme low
tilt: 9-11*
PAP: (have to double check later)

Any opinions are welcome

 

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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2014, 08:36:26 AM »
Slow-mo HD camera won't lie......  ;)
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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2014, 09:04:57 AM »
Slow-mo HD camera won't lie......  ;)

Some video would be best option for anyone here to really help you

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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2014, 09:25:35 AM »
There is a conflict here. If your track is low then you should have a higher tilt.

Curious, how did you figure out the tilt (9-11*)?

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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2014, 09:29:28 AM »
Nothing is absolute...everyone's role is individual and has to do with body type, length of arms and more so to size of hand & digits....
Anomaly-Michael Fagan - 3.5" > 1.5"^ and track circumference 27"...

I've dealt with players whose pap was 9"> 2.5"^...try laying that out
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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2014, 09:59:01 AM »
Fagan bowled hs for pat-med when I was bowling for bellport hs (same home lanes) . .he and I have similar releases.  Probably explains a lot.

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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2014, 10:09:40 AM »
lol I also have bear palms and nubby fingers

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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2014, 11:08:20 AM »
I met a guy years ago who pretty much said the same thing. I didn't question him about his low track med/low tilt for he has over 25 years experience in bowling and half in the shop. But, when I first heard this I was taken back...

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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2014, 11:31:57 AM »
Anomaly-Michael Fagan - 3.5" > 1.5"^ and track circumference 27"...

If the initial track circumference is 27" then the tilt must be 0. How can a ball have any tilt if it is tracking over the widest part of it?

 
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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2014, 12:04:19 PM »
Have you seen Fagan bowl? You explain it (:
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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2014, 12:51:36 PM »
The modern dynamic  cores seem to have an impact on this that we usually didn't see in the old days of 3 piece balls.  In those days the lower the track, the more axis tilt, and the smaller the track.  However, occasionally a guy would have a release that didn't fit the mold.  I don't remember who it was, but there was a tour player in the early 70's that threw what somebody called an outside full roller.   Ball tracked outside the thumb, but the track was almost full circumference like a full roller. 

Today we see tracks that appear to be much lower, but are still bigger than one would expect from looking at the PAP.   

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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2014, 01:20:42 PM »
It is a sphere rolling on a flat surface. How can it be anything else but 0* tilt?

It doesn't matter where the track is on the ball. 27" is full circumference of a bowling ball. Split the ball in half along that track and you have two equal pieces.

After that first revolution the track might change, however it is the initial track we are discussing here. 
 
The only true test would be to have him throw a plastic ball. A ball that will not flip or transition in any way.  The ball like that would stay on the same track for several feet down the lane. 

Is it possible for the track closest to thumb on the ball not actually be the initial track?
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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2014, 01:23:39 PM »
Ball tracked outside the thumb, but the track was almost full circumference like a full roller. 

I know a bowler that has that type of track. Tilt is 3*.

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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2014, 02:18:59 PM »
PBIII and Billy O have extremely high tracks with circumference very close to 27"...not sure i understand the reference of outside full roller?
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Re: explaination for very low track but average/low tilt
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2014, 03:47:46 PM »
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Is it possible for the track closest to thumb on the ball not actually be the initial track?

Yes, if the pin is in a position that causes reverse flare, like a full roller layout thrown by a semi-roller.  --  JohnP