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sdbowler

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Eye opener....
« on: May 06, 2012, 06:57:21 PM »
I subbed in state tournament this weekend for a friend who has been really sick. Shot 710 in team. Happy as hell with that. Bowled doubles and singles today. Not so good. Shot 560 in doubles and lucky enough to shoot 570 in singles. Had nothing weak enough to play the lanes. Pulled out the weakest ball I had and tried to take all my hand out of it. Still covering most of the lane.

 

notsohotshot

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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2012, 07:38:07 PM »
Isn't strange how they keep wanting us to buy more hook but then you go to a tourney and you need a plastic ball to even be able to stay on your side of the lane. Go figure!!!!

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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2012, 08:01:22 PM »
I don't mean this to be a tangent but I sometimes wonder if the solid oil that is used in today's machines have a significant effect on the lane play and how dry they appear. Back years ago on wood lanes solvent based oils were the norm. I have noticed for the past 2 years the lanes appear to be drier and with more traction. I am learning to play deeper as playing the beak is no longer an effective alternative in leagues in the area I bowl. I am not sure it is so much less volume as viscosity of the oil.

sdbowler

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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2012, 09:24:25 PM »
Baltimora that is a great point. Being out of the sport for a few years I have lost touch with everything. So that is very interesting to me. I know I need to work a lot on my game if I get back into it. I am happy with the little I have bowled and what I have done. However I know there is a lot to do. Relearning how to adjust is a big thing.
Notsohotshot you are right on the head with that,. A plastic ball or urethane would have been great. I was thinking about seeing if the shop had a urethane ball to drill up. Thanks for the replies guys.

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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2012, 10:52:16 PM »
Thats why I use a Slingshot for my spare ball so that when they get toasted I still have something with a decent weight block to throw. If you don't have a low end ball like the SS etc you should if you bowl tourneys. The houses I bowl in around here can be toast in less than 3 games.

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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2012, 11:10:13 PM »
I have a Power Groove. However with not bowling over the past few years I have not kept up with pitch changes or anything to be correct. I am not able to use it. I tried to use it a month ago and it went about half way down the lane in the air. I think that would have been a great ball to use. That or I have a Fury polished pretty good, however I think that would have been to strong.

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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2012, 03:07:24 AM »
Isn't strange how they keep wanting us to buy more hook but then you go to a tourney and you need a plastic ball to even be able to stay on your side of the lane. Go figure!!!!

Totally agree - had some similar "revelation" around here, too. Summer season has more or less started, and centers start putting down even less/shorter oil. In two houses where I went for practice I had, for instance, to put my Hell Raiser back into the bag after 3 frames, because it could not be played at all (at least by me).

Yesterday in training I used my Solaris Blackout - certainly not a strong ball - and had to stand on 30th board and deeper in order to get the ball into the pocket at all.

I mean, where does this lead to? I am slowly getting fed up because I do not have to work on being exact, my biggest challenge has become taming down the back end of my equipment, getting ever more length out of it while trying to keep up a sound skid/hook/roll transition? It has become more or less impossible for me to put some hand into a ball...
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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2012, 04:22:30 AM »
Many moons ago some of the best advise i ever received.... The lane may be 60ft long but you don't have to use all of it.... Learn to loft the ball and flattern it out.. take the heads out of the equation.. Watch some of the pros in later blocks.. Its simple... ::)
We used to practice by putting a towel on the lane say 5 to 10 feet down the lane and bowling over it..
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dizzyfugu

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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2012, 04:46:34 AM »
Lofting is not the issue. But I'd rather use these tricks in LATE games, and not on something that is supposed to be fresh!  >:(
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MaidenheadBandit

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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2012, 05:38:02 AM »
Dizzy, I was answering the posters question 'sdbowler'....!!!
The answer to 'your' query is in your last sentence, ''take some hand out of the ball''.
Why do bowlers assume fresh is loads of oil up front.. Bowl the pattern in front of you not what you would like to have..
You have a SBG use it straight down 5, that is what you bought it for....... :P
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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2012, 07:05:55 AM »
Ah, sorry for my misunderstanding. Anyway, I was pretty successful in that training session with my Pure Hammer and an old Faball Blue Hammer (which works wonders on such turf), for a 1197 through six games.
Adjusting is not the problem, but I am a bit upset by the HUGE gap between what modern balls are capable of (and actually need to pertform well), and the respective scarse oil volumes I frequently face? It's disturbing?
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sdbowler

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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2012, 07:35:49 AM »
Lofting is something that I was never good at. I got use to getting it down early and now I can not do any thing else. I might have a foot of air upon release instead of down on the lane right away. When I try to start to loft I would always get so inconsistent. 
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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2012, 09:19:37 AM »
This is something I have mentioned in other forums/topics on here.  The lane surface will not become 65 feet in length nor will it go from 39 boards across to 44 to compensate for the strength of the equipment.  Furthermore, bowling centers wont go to a standard 42-45 foot pattern and/or beef up the volume.  Some centers have more oil in the middle.  But most do not.  They are using similar lane conditions as they did 10-15 years ago. 

I just bowled State Tournament here and I was a little disappointed.  Both centers are only running 2 squads a day.  Well, there has been roughly a good hour plus time frame from the end of the first squad to the beginning of the second.  Problem, they dont see a need to reoil between squads when there is plenty of time to do so.  Another issue, was some of our pairs in S/D had 3 on a lane and some had the customary 2 per lane.  Things was, the center made sure to keep about 12-14 lanes for the purpose of open play use; not to mention that the S/D house only put down a 33 foot pattern.  They had enough lanes to put the 2 per lane in effect for everyone.  They just chose not to. 

As far as the reoiling issue, the first squad at the team house only had 18 teams and yet there was about an hour and 15 minutes+ to reoil those 18 lanes.  Several people went and asked the Director about it and he said no.  After that second team squad, I heard a guy in the parking lot say "I average 220 at my home house and come here to shoot 480".  Then we want to know why bowling is declining.  High scratch AE was around 2050 but high handicap is 2400.  A 350 pin difference is a little much if you are trying to keep bowling prospering.  I know that tournaments should not be carry contests.  I totally get that.  However, with the strength of todays equipment, putting out conditions that render them borderline useless is why people are turning away. 

I am sorry.  but when you walk into a 32 lane house and a State Tournament squad barely fills half the house, that should be an "eye opener".
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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2012, 11:14:52 AM »
Too many guys throwing super aggressive shells right out of the gate, and playing all over the lane.  Most tournaments use higher volumes of oil every year, but it makes no difference.  Look at the guy on TV.  Just a couple of guys, and they can blow up the pattern during an hour of practice.  The balls have to be tamed down, so that a more moderate amount of oil will hold up.  The other side of the equation is that there is so much oil initially that plastic and urethane balls carry too much down the lane and make the back ends un playable for those balls.

Game would be better if we outlawed resin surfaces and mandated that urethane not be dulled below 2000 grit.  This is not about scoring, but about the physical integrity of the lane surface, which simply cannot remain playable with the ball surfaces currently in use.   

sdbowler

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Re: Eye opener....
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2012, 11:37:42 AM »
Twohand I agree. I was looking at the results of the city tournament from where I just moved back to. There are 4 centers in town. For the city tournament they had 17 teams was all. How the hell can that happen with 4 centers in town? For all events they had 31 people. Once again WHY? You know what I might just start a new topic on this.