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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Mighty Fish on November 16, 2013, 04:43:38 PM
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Mike Aleshire, who has nearly 70 certified perfect games in the books, is now apparently attempting to match Kent Wagner's feat of rolling every score from 290 to 300.
On his Facebook timeline, Aleshire has posted the following, and I quote: So since there is only one 300 per life time now I'm going to try and bowl every score from 290 - 300.
Last Monday night, however, he rolled 11 in a row before rolling a gutter ball in an attempt to roll a 291. His failed attempt is mentioned in this bowling column ...
http://www.examiner.com/article/three-perfect-games-and-a-failed-attempt-at-291-headline-high-score-report?cid=db_articles
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Hope his team didn't lose by a stick, or his children watching as he tells them to do their best always.
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well it is his score isn't it? He can do anything he wants with the 12th shot.
No one freaks out when a guy that averages 180 does nothing to improve his game. A Pro will take out a different ball and try another line once he has a match locked up.
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Some people enjoy a challenge... and a 300 game is no longer that much of a challenge for some.
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While I don't full agree with it, getting 1 pin off a full rack is a lot harder then throwing a strike. Not much pressure involved when you have that many 300's
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Roll a 292 forget about the 291 and then you have done something very few have ever done. :)
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The fact that a guy has 70+ 300s and can't pluck a single pin out of a full rack pretty much sums up the state of the game.
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Not many people talk about the 292 that Robert Mushtare has to go along with his gazillion 900 series... Hrrmmm..
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Clearly he is protesting the 1 300 rule! State of the game maybe should be retitled state of the rules. Or should be restated the state of the Economy or the economics of this rule.
I once saw a power area bowler with many 300s go for 292. It sickened me and made me realize how much I craved his power. But my the pins could fly for this guy! They loved to jump off the alley so 300s were easy when the shot was right!
Regards,
Luckylefty
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I respectfully disagree.I want to say at age 80 I threw every ball with the intent of knocking down the most pins possible.
Cav
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Cav,
You look very good for Age 80 from your profile picture.
You don't even look bad for 45!
Keep up the great bowling at age 80....impressive!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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I think when people start deliberately throwing off for a lower score than 300, it shows that the perfect game has lost most of its value. It used to mean something but now the scoring levels make honor scores ho-hum.
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Cav,
You look very good for Age 80 from your profile picture.
You don't even look bad for 45!
Keep up the great bowling at age 80....impressive!
REgards,
Luckylefty
I'm pretty sure he is speaking to the tone of the future, as to when his career in bowling is over that he gave it the best on every shot.
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The fact that a guy has 70+ 300s and can't pluck a single pin out of a full rack pretty much sums up the state of the game.
Truth.
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I think when people start deliberately throwing off for a lower score than 300, it shows that the perfect game has lost most of its value. It used to mean something but now the scoring levels make honor scores ho-hum.
The first one probably still means something to people, it did to me. But lets face it 70+ he can't wear that many rings.
When people start throwing for a one count BEFORE they shot a 300 then we got problems.
Overall though I just hear old Mighty Fish trying to make something out of nothing again. Turn everything he hears involving the USBC into something Negative, never gives options to make the situation better.
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I did something very similar on Tuesday. I started with a double with my raptor talon didn't like the look so switched to my tribal. After the front nine I told my friend if I get front 11 pick another ball for me cause I wanted to shoot 300 with 3 different balls. So I threw the 12th strike with a primal rage. There are still ways to have fun with 300 without sacrificing score.
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What would happen to golf if everyone started routinely shooting low 60s and maybe even below 60?
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You can't compare golf and bowling. You could make every hole 350 yards and straight and golf would still be hard for most people. Too many moving parts.
Anyone with some rotation on a bowling ball can hit the pocket on the conditions they usually bowl on.
170 average bowlers shoot 300. 20 handicap golfers don't break 70.
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Well by saying everyone I wasn't literally meaning everyone. I meant scratch golfers and decent golfers. There are also 20 handicap golfers that have holes in one. If you funneled golf courses like the bowling lane is funneled I believe you'd get closer . . if the fairway sloped down towards the middle and the greens sloped towards the hole like the lane conditions funnel a ball towards the pocket in bowling, I think it wouldn't be much different at all. Regardless, the point remains. The difficulty of golf leaves more success to be attained. Back when 300s only came once a career, there was always that pursuit. Now the pursuit is much lower, partly because it's easy, and partly because your general under 180 average bowler doesn't care about shooting 300, they're there to socialize and drink. There are some factors not being accounted for here.
You can't compare golf and bowling. You could make every hole 350 yards and straight and golf would still be hard for most people. Too many moving parts.
Anyone with some rotation on a bowling ball can hit the pocket on the conditions they usually bowl on.
170 average bowlers shoot 300. 20 handicap golfers don't break 70.
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This has nothing to do with USBC, and everything to do with integrity.
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Actually it has everything to do with the USBC. They are the governing body of our sport, directly responsible for maintaining integrity.
This has nothing to do with USBC, and everything to do with integrity.
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Lane conditions are a result of proprietors giving their customers what they want. Bowling centers can survive without the USBC. If the USBC doesn't change the rules to what the proprietors want then there will be even fewer sanctioned bowlers and the USBC won't survive.
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This is the guy's way of being butthurt. If he did that in nonsanctioned play, that's different. If he did that in a tournament, that's different. Just because he disagrees with a rule that USBC has doesn't make the action right. That just shows the rest of the world that all bowlers are just crybabies.
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How is this not considered sandbagging? The guy is intentionally throwing off on his last ball.
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Although it is very unlikely, if I ever do get to 70 300 games, you can damn well bet, I'm going for 71!!!
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How is this not considered sandbagging? The guy is intentionally throwing off on his last ball.
He has the front 11 that is why it is NOT considered sand bagging he has 290 locked up i am shre that is well over his average
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According to many, having 70+ 300s makes the sport look easy. If he tried hard to get to 71, some people would sarcastically say, "congrats on your 71st 300 on a house shot."
When he doesn't try hard and tries to do something fun, some people say, "Don't you have any integrity?"
What is this guy supposed to do? His 71st 300 means the sport is too easy. His 290-300 mocks the sport. I'd do whatever makes me happy.
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According to many, having 70+ 300s makes the sport look easy. If he tried hard to get to 71, some people would sarcastically say, "congrats on your 71st 300 on a house shot."
When he doesn't try hard and tries to do something fun, some people say, "Don't you have any integrity?"
What is this guy supposed to do? His 71st 300 means the sport is too easy. His 290-300 mocks the sport. I'd do whatever makes me happy.
I agree, he should do what makes him happy. But not at the expense of the sport.
Since he has 70+ 300s, I will assume he will have more than one chance this year to shoot 300. If he purposely throws off to attempt a 291 or 292, then he has reduced his total pinfall by 17 pins. Will anyone really care? Probably not. But it is still sandbagging.
We continually complain how our sport has no integrity, yet we don't care if a person throws off on purpose? Golfers around the world would complain if Joe Shmoe used a foot wedge to get out from behind a tree (there is a commercial about it) but we don't hold our participants to a similar standard. That is where the problem is. We claim to have integrity only when it appeases our personal philosophy on the sport instead of a universally accepted standard.
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Technically it was too easy long before number 70 for him.
2 years ago I had my highest average ever, and that was after spending half of the season trying to play across the lane to work on that part of my game, then switching to my bread and butter which is more direct. Last year I took a lesson in Reno and now I can't hit the same spot on the lane twice in a row to save my life even after trying to abandon the things we worked on. There was a time when bowling was "too easy" for me, but that time isn't now. My bowling game has gone Chuck Knoblauch.
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So Johnny 3 Bills is "upset" with the USBC so he tries to shoot 291. Is he telling all of us by his actions that if he got to have another ring to put in his trophy room then he would have tried. You have got to be kidding me. So he has 70 rings on his 300 wall of fame and now he is so upset he is not going to try because he can't put his 71st up there so when his friends come over he can count them. Seriously what is wrong with some people?
I can see the conversation now...Dad I have two awards already for the highest math score on a test and now they aren't giving out any more awards. I'm not sure what to do?
Johnny 3 bills replies....That's an easy one son, just don't try anymore since you don't get an award.
If this guy wants to make a statement that matters make one at game 50 or 60 or 65, not when he doesn't get his precious ring so now is when he makes his stand. I understand its his score and he can do what he wants, but it rings hollow when you do it because you can't have your ring. Shoot 291 after your 50th 300.
The problem with bowling in my opinion is more related to people like him, then anything to do with high scores. As a bowler I want as many people to shoot 300 as possible. Its gets them talking about the game more to their friends, buying more equipment, bowling in more leagues. Bowling needs the guy that is debating between buying a new ball or a new driver, to buy the ball because he just shot his first 700 series and now wants to be able to do it again. So many people on here seem to me to be offended that someone shot a 300 that they deemed didn't deserve it. Or that it lessens their great accomplishment. So the first reaction is how easy the shot or sport is becoming. Why does anyone care if someone shot a 300 on a wall shot. Most bowlers still dream of shooting a 300. Would love to shoot one. They don't want to see someone making a mockery of the game by trying to pick one off a full rack after the first 11. Its a slap in the face to everyone else in the league that is trying.
Technology makes the equipment better and the game more enjoyable. I enjoy golf. Im fairly decent. I enjoy it more now that I can hit my Taylor made driver 40 yards farther and straighter then my old wooden driver. So my new storm ball hooks more and hits harder then Earl Anthony's ball did. Thats what gets people talking about the sport.
Using Johnny 3 bills logic every bowler who has no chance of ever shooting a 300 or their high score shouldn't try.... Hey I have already shot a 200 so why try to shoot a 190 when you have 180 on the fill ball....might as well tank it now
On second thought maybe we can start a collation so next time Johnny will have something to play for.
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At a college tournament I left a 1-2-4-6-10 washout and tried to put the ball back between in the same spot. I succeeded 8)
I don't feel I hurt the integrity of the sport. It was the biggest cheer I ever got at a tournament!
If I saw a guy I knew could get the 12th strike go for and get a two count, I'd be the first to congratulate him.
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How is this not considered sandbagging? The guy is intentionally throwing off on his last ball.
Dear DynoMo:
By USBC rules, sandbagging is when a bowler establishes an average below his/her ability to gain unfair advantage in handicap or classified competition.
This, in no way, applies to Mike Aleshire. His past three yearbook averages are 241, 246 and 239, and he's carrying a high average of about 240 again this year, so he is hardly gaining any advantage in handicap or classified competition.
Even when he bowls in the Florida State Tournament, in which handicap is 90 percent of 240, he receives no handicap. Even such top-class bowlers as Vernon Peterson and John Janawicz received handicap in the Florida state tourney.
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I have 41 300s, most on house shots, several on tournament patterns. Every time I have a shot at one I know it might be my last. I would never try for a 292 or some other freak score. Just me. Can't say I totally respect someone who does it, but I am not going to trash them either. Also, it has nothing to do with lack of integrity in the game. I would much rather compete on tournament patterns than house shots, but I can't in good conscience slam a guy who can hammer me on a house shot, even if I can beat him on flatter patterns. USBC has no less integrity than any other sport. Technology over powered the game. It did the same thing in golf, but they still have the short game ( drive for show putt for dough ) to keep scores under control, even when hackers are blasting balls over the end of driving ranges.
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Bob,
I will only comment on the golf comment.
When I see hackers they are blasting balls, over and on the ground and over the SIDE of the range.
When they go over the END of the range. They stopped being hackers in my book. I have hardly ever seen a terrible golf swing over 120 mph!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Dear DynoMo:
By USBC rules, sandbagging is when a bowler establishes an average below his/her ability to gain unfair advantage in handicap or classified competition.
This, in no way, applies to Mike Aleshire. His past three yearbook averages are 241, 246 and 239, and he's carrying a high average of about 240 again this year, so he is hardly gaining any advantage in handicap or classified competition.
Even when he bowls in the Florida State Tournament, in which handicap is 90 percent of 240, he receives no handicap. Even such top-class bowlers as Vernon Peterson and John Janawicz received handicap in the Florida state tourney.
Just to be clear, just because his average is higher than most average bases that handicap is developed, still does not preclude him from being guilty of sandbagging.
- We have tournaments that use the highest average in the field as the basis of handicap. For this tournament, he would be sandbagging.
- We have leagues that base handicap on the team average (not individual) and on this basis, he would be sandbagging.
The important wording in the rule is, "sandbagging is when a bowler establishes an average below his/her ability." This is the fact-based part of the rule. It is easy to see he is bowling below his ability. The second part of the rule, "to gain unfair advantage in handicap or classified competition," is more subjective since there isn't one set of rules on the development of handicap. Handicap is based on different scores or on more than one person. So just because he has a higher average than most does not mean he is exempt from being accused of sandbagging. And I am pretty sure everyone will agree. And to say it in now way applies to this gentlemen is a pretty ignorant statement.
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if I read that correctly you are saying he is sandbagging?
Boy tough crowd.
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if I read that correctly you are saying he is sandbagging?
Boy tough crowd.
By definition he is, but I wouldn't be one to enforce it. I was just saying someone could view it as sandbagging and they wouldn't technically be wrong.
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Most of you will be pissed at what I am about to say....
League bowling expect FOR PBA EXPERIENCE is just for ENTERTAINMENT...
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I have 41 300s, most on house shots, several on tournament patterns. Every time I have a shot at one I know it might be my last. I would never try for a 292 or some other freak score. Just me. Can't say I totally respect someone who does it, but I am not going to trash them either. Also, it has nothing to do with lack of integrity in the game. I would much rather compete on tournament patterns than house shots, but I can't in good conscience slam a guy who can hammer me on a house shot, even if I can beat him on flatter patterns. USBC has no less integrity than any other sport. Technology over powered the game. It did the same thing in golf, but they still have the short game ( drive for show putt for dough ) to keep scores under control, even when hackers are blasting balls over the end of driving ranges.
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